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I locked with AimLoan almost a month ago. We have to sign tomorrow so that the 72 hour right of rescission doesn't kill the lock. Everything was in early with a few days of lock. Even the appraisal was in within 4 days of the 30 daylock but it took a week for me to see it because it had to through an appraisal review process.

Rates on 10/1 arms have gone up dramatically in the last month. Now, the day before we're supposed to sign, I'm told the under writer has order a quality control check on the appraisal.

When I asked why it was being done so late in the process:

"The appraisal review was ordered for quality control purposes and the underwiters order them, so it could not be done earlier."

Is this legitimate? Maybe it is, but it sure seems like it would blow a lot of deals.


I'm told that if the rate expires, they'll extend the lock with no costs or fees, but if the appraisal comes back not OK, then they'll need to restructure the loan.

The locked rate was 4.0% with 0.23 points. I asked about AL last month in this forum and you all told me that the rate wasn't real and that AL would get out of the lock.

Since then, I've read too many posts about 11th hour appraisal reviews and offers to restructure the loan if the borrow wanted to continue. I'm afraid that's about to happen to me too. I hope I'm wrong.
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Collateral review is common and review at this stage is typical of many lenders.   If your appraisal value is legitimate, you should have nothing to worry about, especially if you have been offered free extension.

Most appraisals will pass review, the ones that run into trouble are often properties that are more difficult to ascertain value, rural properties, oversized property, unusual property, etc.  
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Alan,
Appraisal reviews are, generally, done when the loan has been approved.  However, there are a few companies who will order them just before settlement by doing a QC review.
Some things that go on today don't seem logical but they happen a lot when a loan file is still with the underwriter or passed to a jr. underwriter for review.
The QC hold shouldn't take but 48 to 72 hours.  Have the LO extend the rate lock for you.  That is all you can do for right now, other than hope the appraisal review comes in fine.  It should since the appraisal was ordered through one of Aim Loans AMC's.
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If you are saying they will extend lock at no charge then you are golden. Please come back after you close and let us know how you made out.
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October 28
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Thanks everyone. That makes feel a little better. I just hold tight and cross my fingers.

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October 28
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I got a call last night just after 5:00 from my loan officer who said the appraisal QC came back fine and there were no adjustments. We're signing tonight.

The only odd thing is they send out a traveling notary and they can come as late as 9:00 PM which turns out to be convenient for us because my wife and I work in opposite directions. We're used to having to take time off and meet in the middle at a title company.

I'll post after we're all signed. The last time we refinanced, we also did a 10/1 ARM with wells fargo but through a broker. When we went to sign, the documents specified a 7/1 arm at the same interest rate. The broker told me it was always a 7/1 arm and that I must have misunderstood. I didn't have a good faith estimate in writing. Not sure why. But I had saved all of the voicemails which included one spelled out a verbal good faith estimate. When I replayed the voicemail for her into her voicemail, she called me back a few hours later saying it was all just a mistake and really was supposed to be a 10/1 arm. They drew new papers and we signed two days later on the right loan.

I checked aimloan's site today and the same 4.0% 0.23 point 10/1 ARM is now 1.33 points so if this goes through, I'm feeling pretty good about this rate.

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October 29
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We signed last night and I wired the money this morning, so assuming there are no more hickups, this is final.

The 10/1 arm is based on the 1 year LIBOR + 2.25%. If it were to adjust today, it would be 3.49%.

The rate can't increase or decrease more than 2% in any adjustment period which is once a year. It can never exceed 9% no matter how high rates go.

The loan includes impounds for property tax and hazard insurance. The pad is 2 months. The amount in impound will vary between 2 and 14 months.

I'd say the experience with Aimloan was smooth except that they took longer than they should have to approve the loan which almost caused a problem when they pulled out the appraisal QC review right at the very end.
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October 30
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I am in the process of closing with aimloan. I also had an appraisal review done just a week before funding but fortunately for me - it came at value. So there was no need to restructure the loan. I believe this is done for quality control check purposes, to check whether the appraisal done was proper. I don't think they do it necessarily to get a lower appraisal value. If the appraiser followed all the necessary guidelines and most appraisers do, then your property should also come at value.
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October 31
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4% with 0.23 points seems pretty good for a 10/1ARM. How much lender rebate, title cost and escrow agent fees are you being charged?

Oh I didn't read your most recent post. Good to know your transaction went smoothly. I have been pretty happy with them myself - to the annoyance of other lenders on these boards :)
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The annoyance is not with your experience....What both of you received is nothing special, other lenders could have offered you the same deals.  The anoyance is based on your spamming the boards about how great they are....Based on what I have seen...you are both the exception to the rule.

Regardless you both got good deals.
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October 31
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Until yesterday, I have never said how great they are. Find me even post of mine. I did say that they had the best rate-fee combo from the subset of lenders that I applied with. That was a fact as far as I was concerned. Now that I have closed with them, I can say that they have stuck to their guaranteed amounts without adding new costs, great pricing, quick turnaround times to my questions and they were visible enough for me to notice them. What else does a borrower need?

If there was one thing someone would force me to whine about then it would be the relatively late appraisal desk review they ordered. it had me on tenterhooks for a couple of days. I wish they had done it as soon as the appraisal was in. But I would still give them a 6 out of 5 :)
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And what about the $870 extra dollars that was on the loan documents that if you did not ask about would not have gone anywhere.....
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Reliability!  You had a great experience, in spite of what others have experienced!
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It is not unusual for an appraisal review to be done at the end.  If you had a good aloan officer they would have pushed for the review much earlier and would not have been in the situation, you loan person screwed up.
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Alan, neither your loan officer or the closing agent explained the Arm terms correctly to you since you made the following statement:

" The rate can't increase or decrease more than 2% in any adjustment period which is once a year. It can never exceed 9% no matter how high rates go. "


If rates are high after your initial fixed period, your rate could jump to 9% in the 1st adjustment year. Your caps are 5/2/5, not 2/5.
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The $870 rebate was always there right from the start. There was just one escrow document where I didn't see it. But it was always listed on every GFE, the final HUD settlement form etc. etc. Once they clarified, I was ok.
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November 01
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Clay, you're right, but I just read it wrong, they didn't explain it wrong.

What I'm most happy about are the terms. The customer service was fine, but I really wish they'd not done the QC so late in the process. I ended up eating a day of work to make a 5 hour round trip drive to a CU to wire money that wouldn't have been necessary had they finish a day or two earlier.

We've had refinances in the past where there were unexpected credit merge issues and real problems that if we didn't have a good mortgage broker that knew how to get these things fixed fast, deals would have fallen through.

We didn't have these sorts of issues this time a round. If we had, I'm not sure that we would have gotten the same attention and assistance in fixing problems.

Since the appraisal was back within 4 days of lock and all of my paperwork in within the first few days, I was expecting they'd be able to close within a few weeks of the lock. Basically, everything went as smoothly as it possibly could but ended up signing on the last possible day.

Would I refinance with them again? Sure, but I'd have to be leary about their turn around time.

On the other hand, they did say they'd extend the lock if necessary for free, yet I still had to eat a day of work driving. However there were no other advertised deals that were even close. In the other thread I started, 3 or 4 brokers said the rate I was quoted could not be had.
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It would depend on when you locked and when you asked.  An hour can and has made a big difference in what rates are available.
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Unfortunately, this kind of thing does happen.  One would think the review would ocurr earlier in the process, but many times it doesn't.  These days lenders are scrutnizing everything especially values.  It's been my experience that most appraisals are reviewed.  Just hope the appraiser did their job correctly, knows the local market, and substantiated the value with good comps. It may all work out in the end.
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Neal..read the entire thread...the appraisal is all set.
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November 01
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Andrew I compared all my lender quotes (about 20) within a couple of hours and aimloan still beat the competition. Believe it or not - the Zillow quotes were the worst. some were infact way way off. the best were aimloan, national mortgage alliance, amerisave. its not like I applied with them coz they were "upfront". But I did see a pattern where the online lenders were well ahead of the pack. You cannot deny that these guys operate at low costs
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Stinaikar, I remember when you 1st posted and priced your loan out. I remember you received a credit just over 1.8% and I had 2 lenders paying over 2%. Today I just priced a 400K loan at 72% LTV on Aim, 10/1 at 4.625% pays a credit of $868, my lender ( B of A ) pays $5500.
7/1 at 4.25% pays $2300 on Aim, B of A pays 1% or $4000. You got a good deal but you can see there are differences today on 7/1 and 10/1's.
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