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A great way to start learning about the real estate business is by attending a first-time home buyer class.  Many brokers, loan officers, title companies, etc. will put on short, informative classes to give home buyers a head start on the learning process.  These classes are almost always free, and really pack in a ton of real estate knowledge, as much as you might learn in a few months researching on your own.

Of course, first time home buyer classes are free for a reason.  The Realtors, mortgage pros, and title officers who put on these classes are hoping you'll use their services when you decide to buy (yes, I am doing just that right now).  If you're averse to getting a bag full of bank advertising and spending an hour with a handful of other potential buyers, maybe it's not for you.  If you can handle a follow-up call or email from a real estate pro after the class, it's probably worth your time to gain a lot of free knowledge in a short amount of time.  The class also gives you a great chance to see if you're comfortable with the personalities of the folks you might decide to work with. 

Maybe you'll use the instructors' services, maybe you won't.  You will get a much better feel for things like mortgages, down payments, credit, title, escrow, contracts, distressed properties, and agency law without having to search online all night to find it.

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Short answer:  No.
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Sounds like a nightmare to me.

Shut in a room surrounded by REIC "professionals" slavering for commish.
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I would never attend one of these before I became a Realtor and I sure wouldn't recommend most of them. So they can collect your email for a database; no thanks. When You need a good buyers agent ask a friend to refer you one. 
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BMFPitt and Spleng,

I've seen you both on here a lot and you both clearly know plenty about real estate.  The classes are obviously not for you, but someone who doesn't have any experience and wants to get a quick start without having to research on their own.

That said, there are some good classes and some bad ones.  If there's not a lot of content, just people asking for your phone number, it's obviously not worth it.  No one wants an agent breathing down their neck for contact information.

Mike, I would agree that a referral from a friend is the best way to find an agent - but that doesn't mean these buyers would understand the process they're stepping into yet.  Some people need to learn a bit about the process before diving right in with a dedicated buyer's agent.
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It's tailored toward's low IQ sheeple then! :-)
The atmosphere must resemble that of time share presentations. Pressure pressure pressure to buy now! 
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June 18


If you want to understanding your credit score.
What Lenders are looking for when approving you for a home loan. 
How to get the $8,000 tax credit now.
How to get pre-approved to buy a home that you can afford.
Help answering the question, "Am I ready to buy a home?"
How to choose the right real estate/mortgage consultant. 
How does an inspection help you. 
What is Title Insurance?
What is Escrow?
How much do I save with my interest write off every year?

Then go to a class and find out. You don't have to work with the lender or Realtor that is there. You don't have to give out your email or phone number. If they have the experience and expertise you are looking for then hire them.

Brent
  
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June 18
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I learn far faster by reading than with someone talking in front of a room, so even when I was a newbie buyer an hour or two of reading and I was far more educated in the process than a couple of friends who went to a first time buyer's session.

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June 18
Of course a class can be beneficial. Just make sure the presenters know what they're talking about.
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June 18
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Sam - Would you recommend someone who knows nothing about cars go and ask a car dealer about it?
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June 18
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or Buy "Home buying for Dummies"  does anyone read books anymore

or just junkie internet zombies getting feed what ever junk someone

posts on the internet or vested interest seminar.


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I can't believe I'm saying this but...

Space_Acer is right!  "Home buying for Dummies" or "Idiots guide to home buying" where the best two books I read and they helped abunch.
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BMFPitt....I would recommend they talk to someone who knows a lot about cars...just not the dealer selling the same car they want. 
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June 18
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If you want to understanding your credit score.
What Lenders are looking for when approving you for a home loan. 
How to get the $8,000 tax credit now.
How to get pre-approved to buy a home that you can afford.
Help answering the question, "Am I ready to buy a home?"
How to choose the right real estate/mortgage consultant. 
How does an inspection help you. 
What is Title Insurance?
What is Escrow?
How much do I save with my interest write off every year?

Then go to a class and find out.

Or you can just post a new discussion topic on Zillow to any one, or all, of these questions. For example, while most REAs are eager to tell you about the $8000 tax credit, very few will tell you members of Congress have recently introduced a new Bill to up that to $15000 and remove income and other restrictions on who can qualify.
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No agent is willing to discuss the $15,000 tax credit because it has not been voted into law and therefore doesn't exist.

There is already enough confusion about the current $8,000 tax credit on Zillow.

IF the change is ever enacted, I promise you RE agents on Zillow will be the first to trumpet the good news.
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Since 9 in 10 of us live in declining markets, wouldn't it be in the best interests of 90% of potential buyers to take a wait and see approach?

And while it's true this has not yet been passed, how many potential home buyers even know it's being currently discussed? Just another example of information first-timers can get here on Zillow they are unlikey to learn at a RE industry sponsored class.
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I can't imagine a more horrible experience than such a class. Well, perhaps a "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" seminar might be worse.

Whenever I get a piece of news or advice from a REA, my first inclination is to confirm it with independant research. Thus, an hour with a collection of REAs would lead to 6 hours of research to confirm, so why not just research what you need to know and cut out the middle man?
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June 19
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Knowledge is power for sure and every home buyer should get some kind of knowledge about real estate before investing his money in it.
Ive heard of many different places you can go to learn, but they will always try to sell you them selves and all other services they have been doing.
The most important thing you should know with or without knowledge is that you need to hire a professional eventualy to take good care of you. Do not try to do it your own to save commission because you will loose more in the long run.
Get knowledge from the real estate agent you will hire, its also for free and he will serve you and drive to you instead of you doing all the hard work.

Good Luck.
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yanni:

1. It is against zillow policy to post links to your website.
2. It is against NAR's code of ethics to say your services are free, without also mentioning that you will be compensated by another source, in this case, the seller.
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Let's not read books that are targeted to dummies, okay?

First-time homebuyer's classes are only useful for people who want to learn more about the homebuying process and benefit from the interaction between not only the class and the leader, but between classmates, as well.

 
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Another drive-by agent bumping months old threads...

Good job, Mack!
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August 21
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    Seek out a non-profit housing agency that offers home buying classes, budget, and credit counseling. They can review your debt to income ratio and check your credit score and can steer you away from areas that are not a good buy for the consumer. They can inform you as to what to look out for and how much you can afford. They can refer you to good lenders and title companies. They also recommend housing options in the area both new and existing.  They also serve in the role of consumer protection.
     One of the most important things they will tell you is to keep in mind the motivations of people you work with. Pay day is closing day since this is when the buying agent, selling agent, title company, lender--all get paid by you--the buyer. They have the incentive to push you along and buy right away so keep that in mind.
     As the buyer, you are the boss so you make the decision for everything--how many homes to see, how much the buyer's agent will receive in comission, shopping around for loans to get the best deal, seller commission, home price, etc.  Do not give your power of decision away! You can certainly take their advice into consideration but at the end of the day, you will be the person living with the consequences not them. Assume what others say is somewhere near the truth. It is up to you to verify that it is indeed true. Fact check everything!
    After you take the class, you may discover that home buying and ownership is too cumbersome and not worth the effort at all.  You also have to think about the opportunity costs. If I buy a house in city A, it means that I forego the opportunities in city B. These opportunities may be significant such as better job options, schools, cultural and fun things to do, etc.  Are you willing to tie yourself to this one place? Is there growing unemployment in your area?
      Depending where you are, people use 3 times their annual salary to determine how much house they can afford, you may want to go conservative and use your take home pay (look at your monthly paycheck and multiply by 12, then multiply by 3). People who make $70K really take home less, say $50K, so use the smaller number as the base to determine "how much house you can afford" calculation.  I know of people who had a 25% salary reduction, job loss, furlough, etc., yet they did not factor these possibilities in when they were calculating "how much house can I afford" years ago when they bought before the housing bust. It may be a good idea to figure it into the calculation so that you don't have any surprises at your workplace after move in day. It's better to plan for a salary cut than for an increase to play things safe. If anything, you will have extra cash in the bank in case an emergency should happen.
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August 21
Most 'First Time Home Buyer Classes' are little more than a sales gimmick (think timeshare here) but not all. There are a few informative classes offered by non-profit organizations that are really centered around what a First Time Buyer needs to know. These classes usually offer information on a variety of subjects like budgeting the household expenses of homeownership and maintenance. It seems that many first time home buyers fail to adequately anticipate or budget for all of the expenses that are absorbed in owning a home as compared to renting.

Outside of these 'not for profit' classes, however, you may find yourself in an 'application rodeo' whereby all of the perspective home buyers are rounded up into a 'sales lead-fest' (ever seen the nature video's of tuna and 'bait-balls' of herring?). In these so called classes I have seen very little useful information given, typically, other than your application given and shared between the participating lenders and agents that put the rodeo on.
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your local library will have many books on buying homes. Skip all the ones that promise too big or getting rich, and you'll be fine. They are free, there is no pressure, I suggest reading them in a coffee shop that plays light jazz.
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Books are great for readers, like most of the people that visit Zillow.  Some people need alternative formats; but anything that is presented by Real Estate Agents, lenders, or title companies is biased, and will NOT be what someone that is just starting needs.  As mentioned, it will be worse that the High Preasure Time Share Presentations where they keep promising you vacations and expensive gifts if you will just spend 1 hour with them, which turns into 4 to 6 hours.

If you MUST go to such presentations, bring your own music, bring books to read, take advantage of their free food, and MOCK them the entire time!

Make sure you talk at least 20 people OUT of following the stupid advice!  Interupt the presenter at least 30 times exposing their lies with published data and your laptop computer. Make sure they never ask you back again, but come back again the next time to eat all their free food again anyway.

Then file official complaints against all the presenters with their local licencing boards for violation of their licencing requirments.

As mentioned, most cities have housing agencies paid for by government taxes to assist people that have difficulty understanding the real estate transaction concepts.
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- Another drive-by agent bumping months old threads...

Well, Heywood, this is hardly "time-sensitive" material, and Zillow does get an influx of new readers . . . 
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August 24
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I guess you are right Mack; people need to be WARNED not to go to your stupid manipulative useless "seminars", unless they are there just to take your free food and run.

If you didn't "bump" a sales pitch  advertisment thread, perhaps they would never have known how you semi- "agents" intentionally distort the truth to do your  high preasure sales tactics.

So you don't want them reading books that are simplified for the general public, but you only want ignorant dummies to attend your sales pitches so that you can try to snow them with words they don't use everyday?

Really, anyone can look up words like "escrow", "agency", "earnist monies", "down payment", "closing costs", "comparitive market analysis", "liveable space", "floor area ratio", "plot map", "points", "offer", "counter offer", "title search", "annual percentage rate", "amortized", "balloon payment", "foreclosure", "short sale", "lock in", "float down", "adjustable rate", "option payment", "no documentation", "underwater", "leverage", etc.  They don't need your "help" to understand these terms, especially when you plan to use it against them.



Do you even bother to try to explain the difference between joists, rafters, beams, studs, girders, piers, piles, cripples, sheer panels, sheathing, footings, grade beams, sill plates, headers ....?
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I love the anger on these forums.  It's very helpful to consumers. 
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for someone actually buying a first home who does not have a clue as far as the process and what is required of them and what is expected of them and the role each professional plays in the process i think it should be mandatory that one attend a first time buyers course.
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- Do you even bother to try to explain

The field is wide open; perhaps the homebuyer would be well served if you were to offer a class of your very own.
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In my community the local realtors run classes like this via community education with the local school district.  Certainly their motivation is to get new clients; however, in my community the successful realtors are those who have been in the business for 15+ years, are from the community originally, and have stellar reputations.

I went to one of these years ago and found it a perfect orientation to the in's and out's of real estate transactions.  I would say if you are looking in a strong community where people stay, reputations are important, etc. - rather than the flippy ones where buyers, realtors, and loan officers are more interested in making a buck - they are really valuable.

I never got a phone call or any sort of follow-up after my class.  I saw the agent here and there and she was always pleasant and helpful.  She's top in town, as well as her broker.  There's a reason for that.
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