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Home inspections are such a waster or money.. I have a better choice.

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Home inspections are such a waste of money.. I have a better choice

I sold this house and the buyer had the home inspector come out.  He didnt crawl in the crawl spaces to inspect the joists and determine if they were termite free.  He looked at the electric panel and didnt take the cover off to inspect the wires ( maybe old )  The roof he looked at and told her it was an OK roof...  The chimney base was rotted out and degrading and he totally missed that.   He never even fired the boiler up and inspected it.. He pointed out stupid stuff, like chipped paint and cracks in the asphalt driveway..   A better choice is to have someone you know that is pretty good with fixing stuff..  A guy that is willing to crawl in and look at the joists, etc..  After seeing that, I think they are a waste of money.   They point out the obvious..   Whats your take?

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I know of two scenerios:  The first.  My husband and I hired an inspector that wasn't recommended by any of the parties involved.  We hired one that came recommended by several friends and co workers who had recently purchased a house and they loved the inspector.  He not only covered every inch of the house, but put a lot of stuff in the report that could have made it a deal breaker if we wanted to (an electric box that had items plugged into it that were against code; he listed the age of all of the equipment like heaters, air conditioners, water heaters, and told us how long we had before they had to be replaced.  He climbed into the attic, got down in all the dirty places and gave us a report that was about 5 pages long without the disclaimer part that they all put in.  We bought the house after we had some problems fixed (the inspector used a randon detector and our randon was too high so the home owners were required to install the proper equipment to pull randon out of the house).

Second scenerio?  My sister purchased a house that she just HAD to have.  She didn't want to pay $500 for an inspector so bought it "AS IS " basically.  Within the first 6 months they had to replace the air conditioner, have all the duct work in the house removed and replaced, which of course made a hugh mess, they had a foundation problem that cost them $25,000.  They had a bathroom where the ceiling caved in because the roof had been leaking for years.  All these problems because they didn't want to hire a home inspector. 

I'm sure there are bad inspectors because they are bad people in every field of work.  But if you ignore all the suggestions from the home sellers and anyone else involved in the deal, and find an inspector that is highly recommended from people who have recently used him, you have a better chance of at least knowing what you are in for.  We know that our 2 heaters and 2 air conditioners have maybe 3 years of life left, we know our hot water heater is new, we know the ex owners didn't pull a permit for a couple of items they had worked done on so we had to get the city inspector out to give us a certificate of occupancy. 

What all these words are saying is this.  In my opinion, and only my opinion, I wouldn't dare buy a house without an inspector, and also would make sure that the inspector didn't know the home owners, didn't go to lunch with our realtor, etc. 

One last thing.  Getting an inspector that truly knows your neighborhood is a great thing.  He knew who built our house by his first name, when, he knew that what we thought was our property line was wrong and we actually had quite a bit more land than we thought.  He also gave suggestions on how to protect the type of house we have (solid wood  with a wood shaker roof) and told us to install a fan in the attic and have the roof sealed every few years and it would last us 20 years instead of 5 or 6.   He was invaluable.

I'm sorry if you got a terrible inspector, but if you were standing there and they didn't even open the electrical panel to make sure there was no illegal wiring, you should have gotten rid of him right there and gotten someone else. 

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I personally appreciate reading Kevin's last paragraph....thank you for posting that:)
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You obviously got a poor inspector. With the new licensing laws for inspectors in Washington state, this inspector is violating the standards of practice that were recently enacted. I have worked with countless inspectors. The good ones would never miss the issues you describe. The bad ones don't cover the basics.

While someone with construction experience may provide valuable advice, they are no replacement for a good inspector. They are incented to propose repair work to you and they are likely now in violation of the home inspector licensing law now in place. 

The best inspectors examine all systems and are not afraid of recommendations that kill a deal. Spend the money on a licensed inspector and ask for reference to avoid duds like the one you mentioned.
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October 31
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Well, Mike; do tell!

Washington State enacted its licensing law this September; my career goes back to 1994 and my wife to 1988.

- The report likely had more disclaimers and information about what is not included in the inspection than actual useful information.

You know there was no "report!"


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October 30
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I personally think inspections are a very good thing. It sounds like your buyer had a terrible inspector.  I've had some great inspectors, I too, have seen not so good inspectors.  A lot of my buyers have been handy in home repair, so yes, they will sometimes inspect the property themselves. 

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October 29
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Mack, believe it or not, I've seen this a lot here in New Mexico.  Maybe its because we are 1 of the 19 states without licensing for Home Inspectors?  It appears that the inspector just really did not want to discover any expensive problems with the house.
Licensing does not overcome the problems of laziness, or conflicts of interests, and only helps with qualifications to a limited extent.
The report likely had more disclaimers and information about what is not included in the inspection than actual useful information.
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October 29
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My take is that this isn't true. (Yes, I said it!)

The most likely missing link in this story is that the buyer didn't actually have a real inspector come out, but had a friend or relative or some other non-professional come out.

Certainly, some home inspectors are better than others. Butcha know, I have never - and I mean, NEVER, had a real inspector do any three of these things in the same inspection.

PS: there's a better reason for taking the cover off the electric panel than determining the age of the wires.

 
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October 29
This inspector gives a bad name to all the professional inspectors elsewhere.  Your agent should have been with you at this inspection and suggested you fire him on the spot. Good inspectors do all the things this guy didn't and stand by their inspection. Never buy a home without an inspection and by the way, did you buy this home?
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October 29
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At first it is look like "a waste of money", however you can use the home inspections result to make the discount deal with the seller, in some case the discount is more than $10k, my sister got $8k on her new purchase, I got $10k discount for myself (3 houses).
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October 29
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Your "better choice" may be better than the inspector who checked out your house, but I have had handymen, and contractors follow me around during inspections, and they are always amazed at what is discovered, and often times educated about things that are just not their expertise.

Contractors and handymen are just no substitute for a thorough, independent inspection.  Also, if the buyer's friend inspects the house, how is their report going to have any clout at all with the seller.  The inspector is not objective if they are the buyer's freind or have any interest in the sale of the house.
 
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October 29
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I wouldn't judge all inspectors based on this one very lousy inspector!

How did the buyer choose the home inspector?  There are independent inspectors out there doing very thorough home inspections, and there are what we refer to as "agent's pets" doing inspections to help get the deal closed.

There are problems in the home inspection industry, but there are good home inspectors also.  For more information about finding the good ones, check out the "Choosing Inspector" page of my website and check out this website: www.IndependentInspectors.org
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October 29
Sounds like they didn't have a great home inspector - too bad, but Paul is right about the motivation of a contractor.
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There are downfalls to using someone who is paid to do repairs - he'll find them to get hired, just as there are downfalls to hiring an unqualified inspector.  Your buyer got took.  Wow.  I haven't heard such a bad story about home inspectors in many years.

I can recommend 3 or 4 really good inspectors that I trust as well as you trust your contractor to find problems.  And yes, if you trustyour contractor, have him go through the home, also.  But there are new licensing laws for inspectors, so find a reputable licenced inspector to look at the home also.

I hada client use a friend instead of an inspector and ended up with $10,000 in repairs when the house was sold a few years later and an inspector found everything the contractor missed...
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October 07
It is all in who you use; do your homework, check out who you choose to hire.  Check references, check with state on their status.  I would never choose a Handyman..I think they would be looking at a "Paycheck" ...what work order items can I find...

It is your responsiblity to do research too...only hire REPUTABLE Insepctors..ask for and check references! 
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Pasadenan:  "And the bigger question, why weren't the realtors already aware of these issues?"

He said the issues were at the chimney base, crawl space, boiler, electrical panel, etc.  Realtors don't climb on roofs, in crawl spaces, inspect boilers, or take off electrical panel covers.  Clearly, this was just a bad inspector. 

There is a separation of duties for a reason.  Inspectors work for independent companies, not related to the real estate brokerage.  That's in a buyer's best interest. 
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In Washington State, home inspectors are expected to - and do - have pest inspection licenses.
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And the bigger question, why weren't the realtors already aware of these issues?  With their experience, it should have been obvious to them.  But they only throw around words like "beautiful", "craftsman", "charming", "tile", "window treatment", "hardwood", "garden", and only want you to have a quick look at the interior with no review of the structure.  And if you ask about a roof or the foundation, they will just say that is what you pay the inspect for, so that you can decide not to buy after you already paid your money, even if the home already had 20 other inspections paid for by potential buyers.
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After seeing some of the tools presently available on the market, I would want to ask a potential inspector if he or she has these, regularly uses them, and what training they have for their use.  I'd also like to know up front how much of the foundation issues they plan on passing off to the termite inspection company.

There is no way anyone can see all issues on one pass through, but those that do it systematically regularly are less likely to miss major issues.  Still, there are certain items that I'm going to want to check myself regardless.  Even if it is in the report and even if there are good photos, I cannot asses the "cost to me" if I haven't actually personally examained it.

I walked away from two purchases due to professional inspection reports.  One indicated the owner purposely cut off the roof shingles so they would look good from the bottom, but such cutting indicated the roof life was already expired.  The second indicated the owner had a contractor undermine footings to put a replacement heater under the house, which they just placed in the dirt with no concrete.  In both cases, the owners refused to do anything to address the issue, and in the second case, the owner removed the property from the market.

My present house, there were many foundation issues that the inspector just passed off to the termite inspection company.  And many code and other issues that were pointed out as needing correction that the owner stated they would correct, but the only "correction" provided was removal.  I could have done much better than that without the haggling hastles.  Never trust your realtor, all they want is your commission.  The realtor will not advocate for the corrections you agree to.  Nor will they make sure the termite company follows through on their work.  I had to have the termite company back over 13 times.  They actually had to file 13 competion reports with the state because they kept ignoring the required work and kept trying to cut corners.  Of course the termite company is hired by the seller, so it is no wonder they figure no one will check their work.

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Our house inspection had a series of photos of what was inspected and a check list that covered the house from the rafters to the foundation.  Everything they pointed out was absolutely legitimate and I have yet to find anything they missed (we've lived here two and a half years now).

So, no, I don't think they're a waste of time and since we're required by law (at least in this state) to have the inspection I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish.
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You're wrong.
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October 06
Yes, that was a lousy inspector, but even that lousy inspector has done you a good service if you follow it up with a home warranty. The home warranty will cover things that the home inspector said were in satisfactory condition, like the boiler. The opinion of your neighborhood handyman is not going to sell it to the warranty service. Some items the general home inspector may leave to a specialist, such as a termite inspection or climbing up on the roof for a full inspection.
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Your title should be revised to read:

" NEGLIGENT home inspectors are such a waste of money"

A quality home inspector will do all of the things you mentioned, as well as check water lines, foundation, door/window/floor leveling and plumb, furnace, water tank, etc. etc.  Many are also certified to test for radon and/or do pest inspections along with the home inspection.

There are a couple advantages of a good home inspector over your "buddy" that knows how to fix stuff. 

First, because they are official, their findings and recommendations will hold more weight with the other party in the sale, so they'll be more likely to lower price or make allowances.  Being able to hand the seller an inspection report outlining the issues and signed by a licensed inspector is a little more convincing than saying "my friend Bob says the roof is almost shot!"

Second, because inspectors see many homes in a given area, they know whats typical for that area, what region-specific items to look for (certain insects in certain areas, roof rated for snow-weight, etc.), as well as knowing common building code violations, contractor "shortcuts" to look out for, etc.  While you MIGHT have a buddy that knows all of this, most people don't, and it can be a very expensive mistake if they miss something.


You obviously had a bad experience with a bad inspector--- but in general, a quality home inspection
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We use Insite Inspection a lot, Terris Hannenburg, Randy Purdom, and a couple of other inspectors with tons of experience around the Seattle Metro.  They get down and dirty. 

(No, I don't have any financial gain by advertising for them - just a vote of confidence for a good company)
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That was a terrible inspector and not typical of what they do. Buyers are much more likely to miss things and have the experience you had when they use just the contractor friend. 
I would advice a buyer to always pay for an inspection, and then have the trusted contractor friend or family member come out to the inspection for an extra set of eyes and another perspective.

Inspectors are not perfect and can miss things, but they are the only ones with the tools and the training to give you a full report of everything that needs to be done. A good inspector will also provide proper perspective on the issues. They can explain if an issue is typical wear and tear, if it's defective, and/or if' it's a safety issue. They also are up to current code and are trained to refer you to a specialist when it's beyond the scope of their expertise.
Bottom line is you don't want someone your friends with just wondering around pointing at things that are wrong. It is too big of a purchase to go about it that way and take that risk. A good inspector will always more than pay for themselves.
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We've used inspectors a number of times, and have never had one that would have failed on any of those items.  Yes, the one you describe is indeed a waste of money.  Buyers be ware!

But, I wouldn't go with just a guy who is good at fixing stuff.  I'd interview inspectors and examine their credentials.

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The inspectors we work with always go in the attic, crawlspace, basement, etc.  They always take the cover off the electrical panel.  You just bumped into a bad seed, unfortunately.

Make sure when you buy a place you get a good referral for your inspector, it makes a huge difference.

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i would fire the real estate agent who recommended that inspector. i don't care if its carelessness or if they actually cut a deal with the inspector to try to minimize the flaws and make the sale go smoothly, either way you can find one a little more concerned for you and your purchase.

no, that is not a typical inspection, and no, i would not recommend handyman Joe in lieu. of course your friend is welcome to tag along and help out!
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I think you had an experience with a lousy inspector ...I know of inspectors that will do everything  you mention and take many hours on an inspection ....
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