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Hovanian cuts home prices by up to $100,000

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Attention RE Agent Sellers: if you want to sell homes, consider taking a similar approach as Hovanian did; tell your clients to REDUCE their list price if they "really" want to sell.

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Hovnanian holding 3-day home sale this weekend
Friday September 14, 1:58 pm ET

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Upscale home builder Hovnanian Enterprises Inc (NYSE:HOV - News) is holding a nationwide three-day sales that effectively cuts home prices by up to $100,000 through incentives and offers extra appliances and upgrades.

Hovnanian said on Friday the sale, held amid a slumping U.S. housing market that many do not see recovering before 2009, will be held Friday through Sunday in the 19 states the home builder serves, including California, New Jersey, Texas, North Carolina and Virginia, and will include live entertainment and prize giveaways.

"It's not going to give you a shot in the arm for your brand, but it's a way to generate cash," Standard & Poor's equity analyst Ken Leon said. "Looking at their cost structure, Hovnanian decided they need to sell at least 1,000 homes this weekend."

Home prices in the various communities in the sale, dubbed "The Deal of the Century," range from the high $100,000s to the mid $1,000,000s, the Red Bank, New Jersey-based company said.

The sale comes about a week after the No. 6 U.S. home builder posted a third-quarter loss and a 27 percent decline in sales. Hovnanian also warned on September 6 that conditions in most of the regions it operates remain challenging.

At the time, the company said it was offering additional incentives and concessions to entice buyers, but it faced fresh head winds because of tighter lending standards caused by the meltdown in the subprime market that is now spilling into the market for jumbo mortgages.

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September 14 2007 - US

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This whole K Hov firesale is a sham. Only one K Hov delvelopment in NJ that is close to NYC is included. K Hov has a really nice 45 sotry condo building in Jersey City under construction, but they conveniently omitted it from the firesale.
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September 14 2007
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I foresee other builders doing the same thing in the future. These may seem like big deals, but we'll just have to see how far down those prices go.
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September 14 2007
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if material prices rise, home prices can not go down.
good luck.
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If land values decrease, home prices will go down, troll.
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September 14 2007
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OMG, the buiders around here are practically giving them away.
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September 14 2007
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In Manhattan, the builders control the market. Not only do they not even give you any incentives, but they often deliver less than what they promised to and there is nothing you can do about it.
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September 14 2007
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"I foresee other builders doing the same thing in the future. These may seem like big deals, but we'll just have to see how far down those prices go. "

remember, these are advertised deals...they usually don't advertise the real big concessions. Those are given on a case by case basis.
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September 14 2007
that's crap. they do advertise the real big concessions, on certain communities, and hope that it draws traffic into the surrounding communities, which it does, and subsequently turns into sales. Marci is right. We are giving them away, and in the meantime pissing off any buyer that walked in here 2005 and paid top money for it. We the sales people are eating it from all ends. The buyers that bought in 2005, the buyers that are waiting until the bottom drops out, so are making ridiculous offers, and the uppers "management" that want the homes sold for the most money possible. When you as buyers come in and offer the lowest price conceivable, lower than even a foreclosure, then we have to balance out a sale, the past buyers, current buyers and the construction team that we are laying off daily because you are being ridiculous in your offers. Here in California I have just lost a field manager I have been working with for 2 years, because I HAD to take an offer of $106K off the current stupid price. Do you people realize that that $106K would have paid my Field manager's salary for 2 years, just long enough to get out of this mess? Do any of you really care? Just pay the stupid price on the price sheet, ask for all closing costs being paid by seller, $20K in options, and be done with it!!! We have done the comparison shopping for you dunder heads that don't know what a price per sq. ft. is and we have come in at a reasonable price. If you can't afford the home, don't talk the sales person into selling it to you. GO SOMEWHERE ELSE with the price that is within your budget, if you even have one. Know what your fico is. IT IS IMPORTANT. and don't come in our offices with a fico of 500 thinking your getting a $500K home for $1,200 a month. It is not reasonable!!!!! Do your homework. Tell the salesperson you are just looking for design ideas until you find the home you want.
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September 14 2007
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sellingnew,

I agree with you. I hope one day, in order to get into any house, all prospective buyers must be screened to ensure they can actually afford the property. This is already very common with high end properties, but I would love to see it spread to lower priced homes. You can't afford the house... you can't see it. Simple as that!
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September 14 2007
I saw a new development starting up in Snohomish County today. I was a bit surprised.
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September 14 2007
amen brother. If you can't afford the home, don't frikin' buy it!!! I for one got into an adjustable rate mortgage, but guess what? I can afford it!!! I have sold at 4 communities in my career and have not had one buyer foreclose. I preach, if you can't afford it, dont buy it. If you haven't sold your current home, don't you dare come into my office and want to buy another one, knowing your home is special and it will sell quickly. News for you, your home is not special. it is like a million others and it will take a long time to sell.
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I have people who have not sold their house yet look at my house all of the time. Whenever the agent tells me the buyers have a house to sell, I pretty much end the conversation and hang up the phone. If they can afford to own 2 houses at the same time, great! But I do not see anyone going down this route right now.
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"that's crap. they do advertise the real big concessions,"

First of all, before you say something is crap, know the area you are talking about. I'm sure all areas are different. Here in NoVa, (I'm not talking CA) it's happening...believe me!!! Thru personal experience.

What I don't get is a home in 2002 (new construction) that was selling for 320K suddenly jumps to 420K in 2003, then 540k in 2004 then 680k in 2005. Did construction costs go up that much within those years or were builders crying all the way to the bank?. You would excuse me if I don't shed a tear for builders because they made unrealistic forecasts, and based on those forecast, overbuilt, over purchased property and now they are stuck in the pig's mess they helped create.
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September 14 2007
Alpine, If you have someone willing to buy a rental, they are not going to be looking at your home. They are attacking the foreclosure monster, so you are right to hang up on them. Any serious investor is looking in the builder category or the foreclosure category, not the resell. Sellers are not willing to negotiate as much. Sorry guys.
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September 14 2007
fsconsult, you appearantly didn't hear about the big water down south, when all them trees went away with the water, or that China is buying all the cement and metal to build their gigantic mess. Ok, so it was selling for 320K, but is it fair to sell them at 225K now? Now there is a loss of money. I understand your concern and the unrealistic forecasts, and I understand all of that, even that I hate this business now, because I saw a rapeing of the people, because of the speculators, and now I see my friends getting laid off. It sucks Now. It sucked then. But people need to be realistic and not walk in my office, a week after the sale, and expect that same price. Or expect because they offer, we should bow down to them to get their money. I have had it. I will not negotiate with another person. If they want it, they can pay the price that will keep my friends working, and maybe someone you know in construction.
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i don't understand how he calls himself an agent.
perhaps he should be the one laid off first.
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"Attention RE Agent Sellers: if you want to sell homes, consider taking a similar approach as Hovanian did; tell your clients to REDUCE their list price if they "really" want to sell."

Right, like private sellers are going to have a firesale anytime soon. Sellers will simply wait out the buyers. Simple as that!
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Please tell us why should I be concern about your people's employment ? I do not get your point of view. It is all about fair market value. If the market suggest to offer it I will, even if that is less than 50% than the asking price. Just keep dreaming about your suggestions.
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September 15 2007
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I've seen incentives in my area from builders. What the general public has to watch is, was the price raised on the homes a few weeks before the incentive program came out? I've watched area builders raise their prices over a few weeks time, then advertise a $40k discount. There's not that kind of profit and overhead in a $200k home!
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September 15 2007
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In 1992, I bought the last 4 homes a desperate homebuilder was selling in a neighborhood here in the PHX valley, including the sales model. In order to not piss off the recent purchasers, The builder charged me the full price on 3, and gifted the final one to me for free! He also threw in every possible incentive and upgrade known to mankind! Are there lower then rate sheet prices available when the going gets tough? you betcha! And to the whiny builders agent on the board, like anyone cared when they were taking lottery numbers and raising the price every 5th buyer... Its called a free market buddy, learn to love it!
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In my area, builders do not lower prices. If you put up a hard bargain and negotiate a lot, they might throw in some incentives to shut you up, but prices are generally written in stone.
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I just went in and offered 60,000 less than asking on a new home in Rancho Cucamonga. The builder took the offer. Note that the asking price was about 100K less than one year ago. Therefore, it's a pretty good deal for right now. We paid 25% of their asking lot premium. No incentives, free upgrades or anything, just a much lower sales price.

I'm glad it ended up this way. I'm paying for the upgrades up front so I won't have to pay the 1.9% property tax on carpet, surround sound, etc.

In our area, and I am proof, builders do lower prices.

We did walk into the KHOV Sage development just before their "fire sale" and the "fire sale" really only applied to a few of the lots they were trying to get rid of.
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