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How do you find a nice house that is in a mature adult area? People over 28 no kids. Does it exist?

Are there any places to live, nice and safe in San Bernardino County where there are no kids? Not everybody likes or wants kids (peaceful, quiet-no gangs). Other issues are renters who have all types of people staying at their house-  rotating on a regular basis. They don't want to get a job. Kids roam lawlessly. A place where Law enforcement "really" enforces the law. It's a shame you can't go to work without worrying about your house being safe.
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July 15 2009 - San Bernardino
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Well, actually the gang issue is not that simple.  As far as the families are concerned, it is really no different than "boy scouts" or any other organized "club".  Yet the "mentors" almost always have criminal activity experience and have served jail time.  Most get indoctrinated about age 14.  Many times the indoctrination requires some criminal act, often violent.  But some of the "initiations" I've seen for "boy scouts" was not that inocent either.

If there are younger siblings, (10 years old or less), they will almost always be inticed into the same gang.  Most of the behavior will be petty theft, illegal drug sales, delivery of illegal drugs, and graffitti.  But if one gang incroaches on the sales territory of another, there will be violence; often shooting, but sometimes knives.  Gangs are not isolated to any one neighborhood.  The students make friends at school and recuit these friends into their gangs, even if they live across town.

Sure, the graffitti identifies them, and you can know which ones are active in a given area by their tags, but if the police use their graffitti to crack down on their drug sales, they will avoid the graffitti to continue to make the sales.

The local kids are not the "drug rings" nor "drug smugglers", they are just the small pawns, and the scapegoats for the organizations that are sacrificed to the law enforcement to protect those above them.

Though it appears that the gangs are in competition for the illegal sales, it is too hard for multiple shipments to be brought in, thus most of the gangs work together for the monthly drug shipment.  Most of the gang members are trained to be look-outs.  But the shipment also always uses decoys, and they set up fake "runners" so that if police start trying to chase a vehicle, the decoy runner will take off to take the police with them, while the vehicle with the real shipment parks to wait until the chase settles down.

I don't know why the police don't enforce the laws since they claim to know the players and the locations, but they always claim it is lack of resources.  I think it is political preasure from their wealthy constituents that buy the illegal products.  But it could be that if they crack down on the petty operation that real "organized crime" would move in to fill the vaccuum.

Most gangs really don't have any intention of doing harm to their neighbors, but only want to continue their sales business.  But they still harm their neighborhoods by causing extra traffic, trash, loud music, and reckless driving.  They also tend to try to discourage people from watching their activities by shouting obsenities and threats at people.  But if this causes the police to crack down on them, they will be more subtile with their operations.

The police say they can't make an arrest if they don't see the actual substance changing hands, or stop a person with posession of illegal substance.  It can't be done from patrol cars, only on foot or on bicycle.  It is easiest for them to go after the buyers, especially near schools where the "drug free zone" signs are placed.  Such arrests can be automatic $1000 extra fine and automatic extra 2 years in jail if convicted.  This quickly causes the activity to move a block or so, which causes them to make more mistakes, which allows the police to do more arrests.

But really, if you want to stop the operation, you stake out the drop location on the drop day, you wait until it is divided for distribution, then you block all streets and move in to confiscate the shipment.  Confiscation of the shipment 3 months in a row will cause the shipment to be moved outside the city.  And you don't arrest any of the players, just give them warnings,  Instead, you take in the driver of the shipment to find out where their pick-up point was, and you work it back to intercept those that import the products.

But eventually you still have to deal with the buyers.  If there were no buyers, there would be no illegal sales.  But the police have no desire to go after these upper class white families in affluent areas, in spite of them being the cause of the illegal activity.
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September 09 2009
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Re: Thanks Pasadenan and others for good post. NTETs you are correct about people raising kids properly. All neighborhoods go through changes-both good and bad.
My E-mail was posted out of frustration from past neighborhoods- and inconsiderate neighbors who don't watch their kids and let them roam all night-not with sticks, but guns. Its hard to sleep w/gunshots going off. Thirteen-seventeen year olds with guns and weed is a dangerous mix.Pasadenan's got it right. Thanks everyone for serious post. I really appreciate your thoughts.
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September 12 2009
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mausoleum... some crypts actually having a nice bed inside, and probably more floor space than a room in Tokyo
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September 10 2009
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Yeh, but they have kids there to, and visiting kids that like to try to scare each other, and you won't find many "houses" there.
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September 10 2009
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My broker will do anything for money.  He is willing to start a kid extermination service just for you, so that he can make a sale.

Or then you could become an astronaut and live in the space station.  No kids allowed there - as yet !!!
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September 09 2009
discrimination based on family status is a federal housing violation, so good luck finding what you want!

(only exceptions are 55 and up communities...)

federal fair housing law
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September 09 2009
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"gangs"

groups of 10 year olds hitting mailboxes with sticks aren't real gangs... real "gangs" are constituted of people in their upper teens and 20s. you want a peaceful neighborhood, find a neighborhood that doesn't exclude kids, but one that cherishes them and teaches them values. good schools, fenced yards...

these neighborhoods exist, where little timothy is more likely to play the cello vs the drums... if you are that into stereotyping people that is

if you want a security system that will protect your house from kids, i recommend 12ft tall privacy fence, large thorn bushes(will cut down on noise too) and a couple of hungry rotties... you'll be known as the weird old man who doesnt like kids, but people will leave you alone... or just buy on acreage
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September 08 2009
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As the first response by wetdogs indicated, that won't work until one is 55.  It appears the original poster was looking for something similar to move into at the age of 29.
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September 08 2009
Try move.com click on senior housing.
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September 08 2009
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A quiet area in San Bernardino County?   That would be the San Bernardino National Forest.  Somewhere where there is low population density, few roads, smaller roads, no business, no jobs, and no schools.

As far as gangs are concerned, you will find them most prevalent in the most expensive areas since those 40 to 60 year olds are the ones buying those illegal drugs at those high prices, and those homes are more lucritive for people to steal from to keep up their illegal business and addictive habits.

Law enforcement?  Only where you want to pay for it.  Even then you cannot pay enough to enforce all the laws.  I certainly hope that you are getting ticketed regularly each time you drive 2 miles per hour over the speed limit, each time you do a rolling stop, each time you use a telephone when driving without "hand's free", each time you J-walk, and each time you drink any alcohol in public.

There is no such thing a a "problem child".  Only problem adults that set bad examples for children.

So, you really think that those over 30 don't have loud parties with blaring sound systems?  And they don't have loud Harley's?  You better think again.

If you really want no kids, why not try the single bedroom mixed use condo projects built right above your work location in the same building?

You then get all that retail and commercial noise instead.

If you really dislike children that much, and don't trust them, you likely are already dead.  But perhaps there are some monistaries that can accomidate your desires?
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September 08 2009
Sounds like "Utopia". When buying in Southern California, the vast number of foreclosures make it impossible go get everything you want. There is no guarantee that what is perfect today will be so next week.
Sellers can't discriminate against families with children or by age, so chances are you're going to find them everywhere.
Look for neighborhoods that are well maintained, very few abandoned homes and then check demographics and visit the local police station for crime statistics.
Good Luck!
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September 08 2009
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When you are 55+, it will be easy to find.   Otherwise, there is no guarantee in any neighborhood that even if today all the people are owners who are >28, kids happen, houses sell, houses go up for rent.

We live in a diverse neighborhood, and the families with small quiet children are superb for keeping the quality of the neighborhood high.
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