I have finished my basement to include a full bath. Can I now count the Square footage?

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The basement is finished with proper windows, a walkout, bedroom, and a full bath.
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October 18 2010 - Falls Church
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Remember to update your home information with your insurance company. The value of your home may have increased since the updates.
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January 21 2011
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As a Real Estate Appraiser, we generally do not include basements in the fgross living area.  This is because they are "Below Grade."  They are part of the gross building area, however, typical buyers do not consider them at the same contributory value as the rest of the home.  This is not to say they do not have contributory value as many basements, garage conversions, finished attic, or additions can actually have considerable contributory value.    
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November 14 2010

Basic/safe rule of thumb: You can generally count the square footage in your listing information IF it is recognized by your county assessor's office. Here's how to make sure that happens:

Ideally, you have done your improvement work with permits and you've "finaled" your permits. If so, your local jurisdiction may have already forwarded the information from your work -  the number of added square feet, added bedrooms, bathrooms, and total rooms - to the county assessor's office. Sometimes your local permit-issuing agency does not forward this information, or is very slow getting it to the county assessor, so the information is incorrect on county records when you you look it up before sale. In this case, in most jurisdictions, you need only get proof that you got permits and "finaled" them (from your local permit-issuing agency), bring this to the county assessor, and ask them to update their records to match the records from your local permit-issuing agency. I'd let the county fiddle with things like whether or not to count 50% or 100% of square footage if a basement improvement is below grade - unless you feel the work has been improperly recorded, and you want to be sure all the rules were applied correctly in the calculation of the new square footage.

If you DIDN'T get permits for your work, you can try to get the work permitted after the fact. A few issues can come up: (1) If you made changes that would not otherwise be permitted because you violated planning regulations, that can be a mess. In this case, you can still go through a review process to try for planning approvals, but it can be dicey and you can fail. (2) You may be asked to open up your walls to show an inspector that all work is up to code, and to correct any non-code-compliant work. (3) You will be asked to pay for the permits you're pulling, of course, and many jurisdictions penalize people for getting permits after the fact. Penalties are sometimes equal to the permit amounts. (4) Once you get the permit situation settled, you may still need to go through the county assessor update process, described above.

One tip: If you didn't get permits for the work and you want those permits and that formal recognition now, go to the Planning and Building departments and ask some general questions so you get the lay of the land and know what challenges may be in your path BEFORE you give anyone your actual address. If someone gets your actual address and hears that you've done work illegally, they may feel compelled to start chasing you to force you to get permits or tear the work apart. If your work does not qualify for permits (i.e., is prohibited under the zoning ordinance), you probably want to know this before you let the city folks know where you live and where they should start sending the nasty letters about your "illegal addition".

Good luck!

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November 14 2010

Ideally, you have done your improvement work with permits. If so, and if you've "finaled" your permits, your local jurisdiction may have already forwarded the information from your work - including the number of added square feet, number of added bedrooms, bathrooms, and total rooms - to the county assessor's office. Your local jurisdiction (permit-issuing agency - either your local city or county) sometimes does not forward this information, or is very slow in getting it to the county assessor, so that the information may be incorrect on county records when you bring your home onto the market. In this case, in most jurisdictions, you need only get proof that you (a) did the work with permits, (b) "finaled" the permits, and (c) added X square feet, Y bedrooms, Z bathrooms... If it's easy to do, you may want to bring the plans in to the county assessor's office to show the addition. Your local permit-issuing agency can give you the information to show the county assessor, including copies of "finaled" permits and/or proof that your addition was given its certificate of occupancy. You bring this to your local county assessor's office, and ask them to update their records to match the records from your permit-issuing agency. Let the county fiddle with things like whether or not to count 50% or 100% of square footage if a basement improvement is below grade. That shouldn't be something you need to worry about unless you feel the work has been improperly recorded, and you want to be sure all the rules were applied correctly in the calculation of the new square footage.

If you DIDN'T get permits for your work, you can go to your local permit-issuing office and try to get the work permitted after the fact. A few issues can come up: (1) If you made changes that would not otherwise be permitted because you violated planning regulations, that can be a mess. Sometimes you can still go through a review process and get a planning approval, but it can be dicey and you can fail on occasion. Caution! (2) You may be asked to open up your walls to show an inspector that all work is up to code, and to correct any non-code-compliant work. (3) You will be asked to pay for the permits you're pulling, of course, and many jurisdictions penalize people for getting permits after the fact. Penalties are sometimes equal to the permit amounts or... (4) Once you get the permit situation settled, you may still need to go through the county assessor update process, described above.

My general recommendation, if you didn't get permits for the work and you want those permits and that formal recognition now: Go to the Planning and Building departments and ask some general questions so you get the lay of the land and know what challenges may be in your path BEFORE you give anyone your actual address. If someone gets your actual address and hears that you've done work illegally, they may feel compelled to start chasing you to force you to get permits or tear the work apart. If your work does not qualify for permits (i.e., is prohibited under the zoning ordinance), you probably want to know this before you let the city folks know where you live and where they should start sending the nasty letters about your "illegal addition".

Good luck. I used to work in a City Building and Planning Department. Based on what I observed there, this is how I'd move forward if I were you.

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November 14 2010
Did you get permits? Then the Assessor should count it, if it's legal.
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November 10 2010
We count the square feet of there's a walk-out. And like others have said, advertise it as living space. Many home buyers already know that basement space isn't counted in but they certainly count it in their minds when looking at the home and considering it.

Basement/additional living space is very desirable! Nice job on finishing all that and adding a full bath/bedroom.
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November 10 2010
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I assume it depends on local rules, regulations, etc. As far as I know, although (all with proper permits & inspections) in-law apartments, etc, although they DO ADD the the value & desirability of a Home, if they are at least 1/2 below ground area, while they DO give that extra square footage of living or library/recreation space, etc., they do NOT technically add to the square footage of a Listing. (One may, however, in SHOWING a place, Mention the Extra Square Footage, including the bathroom; ALSO for which they are not paying the above-ground square footage Taxation.) Also, for it to be legal, it may NOT have a STOVE; a microwave, and fridge, YES!

At least that is in my area..Is it different elsewhere?
FYI: These areas can also be ideal for both in -law suites,home-offices (with legal requirements) AND pure extra storage space, & SEPARATE QUARTERS for GUESTS. Long Term guests, like from abroad, work out especially well, in this fashion.

Fireproof Doors are a necessity to Code here. I assume that goes everywhere, as well as an alternate Fire Egress, for safety purposes.
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November 07 2010
In Northwest Indiana we can only count over 50% grade also.  You can however advertise your "total square footage of finished living space".
We cannot count basement in our square footage but can advertise total finished living space.  It is all people want to know anyway.  Can they use the basement for additional living space.
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November 04 2010
.... and the county might want to make sure that the clectric wiring and the plumbing was done to code. This is very important for safety reasons.

Permit is also very important for INSURANCE reasons - many companies will NOT insure an unpermitted basement, or even the entire house if any part of that house was done without a permit.

Lack of permit can cause a lot of problems for the homeowner when they decide to sell the house - buyers ask for permits and buyers' lenders like to know the property is insurable.  


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October 19 2010
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You'd need to verify that the window sizes meet code, ceiling heights are adequate, the bedroom has a closet and you're good to go...
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October 18 2010
Hawbrunet,

Is your basement permitted?

If you have all the required permits, the county should record the square footage accordingly.
 
Here in the Washington, D.C. area, the tax records show Living Area as above the grade square footage which is listed separately from the lower level square footage. The lower level square footage is recorded as finished and unfinished.

Make sure that your finished basement is recorded in the county records.





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October 18 2010
Depends on the local rules. We are only allowed to count 50% of whatever part of the substructure sits above grade.
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