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We are planning a kitchen remodel which will expand the kitchen into a previous addition to the house. Luckily we already have a contractor that we trust.
To end up with the kitchen we want we will have to take out a wall which at one time was part of the exterior of the house and totally redesign the layout.

In this case should we hire an architect or a designer? With the designer we do not want the whole package where they pick out cabinets/colors/etc...we just need someone to give us 2-3 options of how we could layout the kitchen to best use the space and to take into account the structural issues with opening up a 15 foot wall.

Also, if anyone can recommend someone in the Seattle/Kirkland area that would be great.
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July 12 2007 - US

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Hi k,

We are in the middle of a kitchen remodel, and have a huge empty, dusty, dirty, gutted room in the middle of our house.

For a kitchen remodel you should definitely be able to find a designer that can help with layout. You contractor should be able to help also. Our contractor brought a few ideas to us that we did not see before. We moved the doors, and covered some skylights and it's "going" to look great. Here in San Francisco, many of the kitchen cabinet stores will also help with the layout, and can recommend a lot of options, Sorry, I have no references in Wash.

An architect will probably be overkill on a kitchen remodel, but you never know...your kitchen could be spectacular.

Good luck, and try to keep the dust down :)
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July 12 2007
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The best to place to start is hire a designer to plan the kitchen for you. Ask for plan view as well as 4 (north, south, east, west) elevations. Look at magazines and get ideas of what style, etc. you like. Put all your tearsheets, ideas, etc. in a folder to give to the designer as well. Once you have the plans, you can shop these around to cabinet companies to get quotes (at least 3). If you are planning any structural changes, you may want to hire a general contractor to arrange all the trade work for you. Remember, a kitchen renovation involves 8-10 trades (carpentry, drywall, plumbing, electrical, painting, gas,tiling, etc. so a general contactor is worth his weight in gold. Good luck!
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July 12 2007
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If you are removing a previously exterior wall, it may be structural/load bearing and you would definitely need an engineer or an architect for that. I actually used a custom cabinet company in NH (I live in Fla) and they did the design with me, including giving me elevation drawings that I used to get my permits. The cost of that service was rolled into the cost of the custom wood cabinets. If you can afford it, that is a great way to go. Good luck, and get yourself a temporary kitchen set up somewhere else in the house before you start so you don't have to eat out every meal while the project is ongoing.
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July 14 2007
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You absolutely need an architect to take out an exterior (load bearing) wall. If this is done improperly your whole house could be compromised. Designers do not have the kind of training to detail load transfers. As far as layout goes, you need to decide on the appliances you're going to use first. They are the biggest items and their location dictates the cabinet layout to a large extent. Keep in mind that changing locations of sinks, gas lines, etc. will add to your costs substantially, so keeping these items where they are is often a good budge move. Working with a cabinet company for design work is another good budget move as otherwise, you will pay for design time and may not own the drawings that are produced. Most often, designs are owned by the designer even though you have paid for them. Clarify exactly what you want before beginning the design process.
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July 19 2007
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Agree with CHFarris.
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August 09 2007
Make sure all contractors are licensed & insured!
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August 09 2007
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Ditto on getting an architect. We are doing very something similar - and taking out an 18 ft exterior wall. I hired a general contractor (one I've worked with before) who hired an architect for me. The cost for the architect's plan were only $2100 (not very expensive in a $95K budget) and I know that my home won't collapse when the wall is removed.

My General Contractor also gave me the names of several kitchen designers and after going to their showrooms I choose the one I liked, worked with her and have the plans for the kitchen layout and all the cabinets, counters, etc, picked.

They will be putting the in foundation in istarting in two weeks. :-)
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August 15 2007
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emilybee,

having lived through the process myself, I wish you great success and when the contractors/workers drive you crazy, as they WILL, just remind yourself how wonderful it will be to make that first holiday family dinner!
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August 15 2007
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Thanks, I've been in my house 16 years and have been waiting the whole time to do this addition. My kitchen is ridiculously small (house is 1956 ranch so) We did a cosmetic update when we first moved in but that was 16 years ago, too.

We put on new roof, new furnace, new driveway, upgraded all the electric, put in all new wood windows (beautiful 10 foot bay window in LV ) except windows where wall that being removed is) finished half of the basement (about 500 sq ft) and added a bedroom/office down there in a part, put vinyl shakes on the outside - which look fantastic, and a new front walk, entryway and all new landscaping all in the last two years. This addition ( which will be kitchen expansion, dining room expansion and a family room off of both (3 ft wall will separate kitchen from dining room. so they'll both be open to the family room but not open to each other (I didn't want to lose my formal dining room.) We are also putting on a new deck off the addition. And then new landscaping, of course.

After this is finished I still need to do my big bathroom and then I am done. Just in time to start paying for my kid's college education. :-(
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August 15 2007
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Emily,

then you already know that it will take twice as long and cost twice as much as they tell you going in! Just set yourself up a temporary kitchen somewhere convenient in the house and hunker down. I ended up eating out which added to my bottom line costs, but I don't have kids to worry about. One of my contractors recently did it and thought my experience with delays, broken promises, you know all the remodeling horror stories, was unique. At the end of six months of washing dishes in the bathroom sink, his wife put him out of the bedroom and told him he could come back when the kitchen was finished. Ultimately he needed a lawyer (me) and it all got resolved, but his wife would never do it again!
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August 15 2007
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Actually, with all the work we have done so far - 65K worth using the same contractor for everything except the furnace system which was done by my heating oil company (but scheduled into the job at correct time by contractor) and the roof - hasn't cost a dime more then the agreed upon price at contract. Actually, it was a bit less as the egress escape window & well put in the basement was overestimated by about a $1000. I work very closely with my contractor - he knows my bottom line ($86K + 9K for appliances) and I am not expecting it to be more and he knows that. Everything was also done on within his initial estimate.

My contractor's company has been in business since 1915 and they are one of the best in my area and I have complete confidence in them.

I've got a laundry room with a big sink and am moving in the micro there. Old refrig will go in the garage and we can use are grill, too. The gutting of kitchen is going to be the last thing done, too and he said that will only take 4 weeks to complete so not that bad, either.
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August 15 2007
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Emilybee,

Is your contractor married? I was not looking, but I still need to redo my garage apartment complete with new bath and kitchen.... LOL!
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August 15 2007
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Sorry he's taken. ;-)
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August 15 2007
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Are there kitchen cabinet styles that are out or popular? Or safe choices for those who might have to resale in a few years?

Around here, people toss out their oak cabinets or paint them white. I see the oak ones torn out of homes in our Habitat recovery store. I bought a few to use in our garage.
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August 15 2007
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I'm putting in European design natural maple cabinets. I have no idea if it's popular or a "safe" choice - simply what I like. I don't like anything fussy so a clean line is a must for me. The cabinets I chose just won a top design award at an industry competition ( after I had pciked them) so I'm feeling very good about my choice.
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August 15 2007
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I also like clean lines. I'm Shaker in my soul, I guess! The clean lines tend to be ageless. I've never had the advantage of choosing them!
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August 21 2007
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emily.

I don't know if you are still around......How did the job turn out.  Do you have any hints for me as I go through a major kitchen remodel?

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June 19 2008
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Most people with a knowlege of constuction will be able to remove a load bearing wall without a problem.  Just make sure the builder has permits and gives you proof of current insurance before work starts.  As far as layout goes start at home depot or lowes and get them to draw your new kitchen.  Most shops will design your space for free.  You will find that the layout will be about the same but there will be some small things that one designer will do that you will like better.

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June 19 2008
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Adios, yes I'm still here. It came out fantastic. We are very happy with it.

 

Here are pics taken right after it was all done.

 

 

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June 26 2008
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June 26 2008
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Since it was done we also added a new deck off the sliders. Still waiting on my new furniture to come and then  need to buy two orientals  - one for the fam room and one for the dining room. Also still need to have window treatment and both room need to be painted. They've been primed but I can't decide on a color for the walls.

 

As for advice. Don't skimp. It's a big hassle to do a remod and you should make it what you want it to be. I think if you are spending a lot of money but don't really get what you want why bother. Spend a little more and get what you want. It likely will be the only time you completely remod your kitchen. At least it was for me. A friend did hers and went all out but then put in a cheap faucet because an $800 one was out of her budget. In a $65K remod I don't think spending $600 more should be a deal breaker.

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