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LOCKING WITHOUT A LOAN APP

What is everyone doing when contact is made and folks are wanting to lock the rate without an application?  Are you doing it and risking lock fallout issues, are you insisting on a loan application?  What?
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December 22 2008 - US

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I am not locking.  If they are not committed to me than why would I commit to them?
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December 22 2008
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I would not lock a loan without an application. I didnt even know you could as I would never entertain this. Once a 1003 is completed and the loan is pre-approved with a bank then I will discuss locking. As you know this can be done pretty quick. With all the lenders that no longer do wholesale and the ones who remain paying close attention to pull through rates, locking without an application could really put your business at risk of losing even more lenders. No worth it.
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December 22 2008

I don't even believe the major retail lenders are locking in with out apps.  Brokers, correspondent lenders are risking relationships with their investors because the inevitable high percentage fall out that occurs when you don't have a commitment from a borrower.

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December 22 2008
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Application and app fee via credit card. Too much short term memory with borrowers: "I never signed anything". Tell them that when rates have gone up: "You never signed for that rate" and see what happens!
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December 22 2008
See, that is exactly what I dealt with on Friday.  I would not lock without a loan application and lost the deal.  He said in all his years of refinancing, no one has ever needed a loan application to lock.  According to him, 2 other lenders were willing to do so.  I said that he should go to them.

This is frustrating, but I'm not risking a good lender because of fallout.  No commitment, no locky.
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December 22 2008
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NO SOUP FOR YOU!!
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December 22 2008
At least Zillow didn't screw up posting pictures!

Morning Doug.  :o)
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December 22 2008
Profile picture for Barry Dalton
Tammy- maybe you missed more frustration later with that borrower!
I will not lock until an application and fees are collected. It can be done same day if they do an online application and pay the emailed invoice for apprasial.
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December 22 2008
Profile picture for Martin Wareing

Mornin' Tamms,

You can lock with address, personal info with some lenders.... However if delivery collapses and moves around in a circle with your lenders.. and they all end up at 50% pull... I really believe that could end many relationships this year.  The BANKS have all the power as weak as they are and if abused... we will see and read about lock changes overhauled and brokers being cut off, etc... I have locked without running DO and a full 1003 at time of locking, but I am very careful of who I do it for and will not lock for a phone call of a tire-kicker that is not committed to me.  Happy Holidays

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December 22 2008
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Tammy,

I insist on having a 1003 and signed authorization for before I lock them into a rate.  I even sometimes wait for an approval from the UW.  It gives you an idea of who is serious and who is not if they are willing to allow you to pull credit.  If a borrower knows their credit is being pulled they're less likely to continue shopping and risk the additional inquiries which THEY think are harmful.  Because borrowers dont know the process, they dont know it costs money to lock a loan and how much is lost if we dont deliver the loan.  Not to mention our relationship with the lenders and if we get into issues with lock fallout that we lose that good pricing we're able to pass along to them.  I think we need to educate our borrowers about the process.
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December 22 2008
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Hey Tammy, Hope you're keeping warm (and busy).
Have a Merry! And don't drink too much egg nog
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December 22 2008

Hi Doug, thanks for the Christmas Wish!  I only drink egg nog with a little holiday cheer in it, so I probably will drink a little too much! 

Hope all is well with you and Merry Christmas to you also!

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December 22 2008
 
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