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No Housing Woes In Booming Washington State - New York Times

September 20, 2007

No Housing Woes In Booming Washington State

By REUTERS

Filed at 11:10 a.m. ET

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - While California suffers in the housing crisis, the economy of nearby

Washington state is flourishing with strong job growth and some of the highest appreciation in home

prices in the nation.

The outlook for Washington's economy is bright because so many people are moving there in response

to help-wanted advertisements. Seattle, the state's biggest city, is an especially hot job market, boosting

confidence of sustained growth.

Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen's Vulcan Inc., for instance, sees few obstacles to turning Seattle's South

Lake Union area into a thriving residential neighborhood, given Washington state's economic strength.

Lori Mason Curran, market research manager at Vulcan Real Estate, expects 135,000 people will move

into the Seattle market over the next five years, propelling demand for housing that Vulcan's property

unit is building in South Lake Union.

Vulcan Real Estate's foray into building office property in the industrial and warehouse area "on spec,"

or without guarantees of leases, will also pay off because of healthy population and job growth, she

predicts.

"Seattle is really, really strong on both fronts," she told Reuters during a telephone interview on Tuesday.

Brisk hiring, especially by manufacturers, builders and software companies, is propelling that growth,

said Victor Moore, the state's budget director.

"It's the high-paying industries ... There's been a steady demand from employers," Moore said.

Their growth is helping Washington, unlike California and some other states, put aside concerns about a

housing slump, at least for the near term, added state Treasurer Michael Murphy.

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"With employment really strong, there is less likelihood of having defaults on mortgages," he said,

noting Washington's housing sector is avoiding contagion from mortgage market turmoil arising from

"subprime" borrowers unable to make their loan payments.

In contrast, the foreclosure rate in nearby California, whose motto is the Golden State, surged to the

second highest in the nation in August, according to a report released on Tuesday by RealtyTrac, a

leading real estate data provider.

U.S. residential construction fell to a 12-year low in August, according to a government report showing

a 2.6 percent drop in housing starts. The data was released on Wednesday before Wall Street's opening

bell. In the Northeast, housing starts slid 37.7 percent in August, while in the West, housing starts fell

18.4 percent, the Commerce Department said.

STRENGTH ACROSS THE STATE

While growing payrolls keep Washington's housing market intact, they are also swelling state coffers.

ChangMook Sohn, chief economist for Washington's Economic and Revenue Forecast Council, projects

$281.5 million more than initially expected for the state's 2005-2007 and 2007-2009 budget periods --

raising the state surplus to more than $1.5 billion -- thanks to continued strength in housing from strong

payroll growth across the state.

"This is the third year of achieving about 3 percent job increases," Sohn said, adding that Seattle-area

payrolls are growing at a torrid annual rate of 3.8 percent.

Major area employers such as Boeing Co. <BA.N> and Microsoft Corp. <MSFT.O> are expanding

payrolls, as well as companies involved in international trade, as exports gain momentum on the dollar's

weakness.

"Everyone expects more containers to come," said Port of Seattle spokesman David Schaefer, noting

port officials are putting together plans to double the number of shipping containers the port handles

from about 2 million annually.
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September 26 2007
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WARNING: Please do not read this thread aldreth and Long Island Bubble as it contains information you will not like.
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September 26 2007
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With demand and prices for agricultural products up, farm-rich eastern Washington is also fueling the

state's good times.

"In the Spokane and Pullman areas, economists are saying they're seeing glory days," Sohn said.

HOT TIMES ON THE HOME FRONT

Washington's varied strengths make the Puget Sound region centered on Seattle a top market for Costco

No Housing Woes In Booming Washington State - New York Times

Wholesale Corp. <COST.O> and an obvious region for expansion, said Jim Sinegal, the company's

president and chief executive.

The Issaquah, Washington, warehouse club operator plans to open another store in the Puget Sound

market this fall and has four more "on the charts" for the region because of its growth prospects and

confident consumers, Sinegal said.

"Full employment and good wages make it desirable to have a 50-inch (television) set," Sinegal said.

Washington's broad economic strength is underscored by housing markets across the state, said Keitaro

Matsuda, an economist with Union Bank of California. He noted that Wenatchee, Washington, notched

the nation's best annual home-price appreciation in the second quarter among local markets -- up 23.5

percent -- and four other Washington markets, including Seattle and Spokane, made the top 20 list.

"When you look at its numbers, there aren't too many things that are going wrong with Washington's

economy," Matsuda said.

Fitch Ratings revised the state's rating outlook to "positive" from "stable" on September 4, citing its

robust economy and resilient housing market -- a contrast to California, whose economy is slowing amid

tumbling home sales.

"They don't have the real estate issues California has," said Richard Raphael, a Fitch executive

managing director.
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September 26 2007
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Good for you Rachel....wish our market was that good.....Maybe it will be in the future(fingers crossed)
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September 26 2007
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The same is true with Georgia. Rate of appreciation positive regardless of good or bad years and keeps up with the rate of inflation... LOL not a bubble zone. I guess not many people go bonkers and zany over prices in those regions. As such the business climate is positive because its stable.
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September 26 2007
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Wow...sounds like the same stuff they were saying about the other Washington (DC that is) about 2.5 years ago.

Too many jobs available, government jobs a plenty, we are shielded from declines unlike other markets, high tech corridor, one of the highest medium incomes in the nation, most educated population in the nation, people are moving to DC area in droves, population of surrounding areas fastest growing in the nation, shortage of homes predicted, etc..etc..etc...

Wow...look at us now!
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September 26 2007
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There's a word missing from the end of this thread's title: ... YET.

I'm having deja vu reading all that; it's practically word for word what was said about the then-booming So CA RE market a couple years ago.

Don't say you weren't warned.
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September 26 2007
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Also...people by nature are pariahs, jackles, vultures.

Have you've heard the saying playa's have to play, well flippers have to flip. Most flippers blindly thought that they've found a new career. So let's see what may happen.

They will seek the few areas where they may have a brief shot at still making money and converge to those areas.

Flippers from CA, NV, AZ (there are a plenty) are bound to converge to the few healthy spots turning the area into another statistic.

This may boost the area tempararily, but will ultimately speed up the downturn. It's not if, it's when? Wonder if there are statistics on how many buyers are actual buyers versus flippers/investors.

Like deseases and viruses they will spread out and seek the healthy, until...well you know.
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September 26 2007
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just passing on one of the many articles I read every day that tend to send the same message about Seattle.
And if you note in the article, ...."Their growth is helping Washington, unlike California and some other states, put aside concerns about a

housing slump, at least for the near term,"...... The article is speaking about now...not predicting the future.
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September 26 2007
How about a link to those articles next time. "Rising prices" could simply reffer to median prices, which are not normalized for square footage or location. It's nice that business may be better for you than it would be here in Ca. God knows it couldn't be worse.
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September 26 2007
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September 26 2007
Good!! Hopefully all the flippers will leave California,..go there and never come back
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September 26 2007
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I have another one from inman written by Dian Hymer...I have it in PDF...I'll try to find the link
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September 28 2007
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Great information Rachel! We're seeing positive times in the Walla Walla area as well as investors are still coming in banking on a positive future in the popular wine country. People are coming in from areas such as So. California completely surprised by the abundance of inexpensive opportunities in the Walla Walla valley. Waitsburg Wa. (which is a short 15 minute drive outside of Walla Walla) was just names as the number four top coolest small town in the US by budget travel. The article was posted on Yahoo's main page. Great publicity for truly a hidden gem in Southeast Washington State.
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September 30 2007
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"Good!! Hopefully all the flippers will leave California,..go there and never come back"

Casey Serin is going to buy the house next door to you...
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September 30 2007
...But at the same time in "booming " Washington State, the inventory of unsold homes is way up and the average length of a home staying on the market is much longer than a year ago. We may have a healthier economy here in Seattle, but home prices are out of reach for many of the people who live here, lenders have tightened up, making deals fall through, and the number of expired listings is also way up. Real estate agents like myself always tend to put a positive spin on things, and very few agents are ever going to predict price declines, but let me predict here that within 6 months prices will be lower.
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September 30 2007
Simple economics tells you that there will be more supply (inventory) at higher prices.

Also, with the sales times increasing to more reasonable levels (not a sellers' market), sellers will be more likely to look to agents to help them sell. Thus listed properties are probably up a lot more than total properties for sale (listed + FSBO)

There are some areas where I see a lot more for sale signs, but I'm not seeing that in most areas.
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September 30 2007
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Homes in Seattle do not seem to be selling as easily as from a year ago.
An example... $400+k townhomes in a nice part of town sold easily within a month, over a year ago. Today, new townhomes on the same street and one that was built in 2006, with price drops, are still unsold even after 6 months.

Even more crazy, 7 new townhomes are scheduled to be completed within the year on the same street. I do not know how the developers expect to sell them unless they drop the price tremendously.
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October 01 2007
While simple economics does tell you that there will be more inventory at higher prices, it also tells you that if that inventory remains unsold or the pace of sales slows, lower prices is the next logical step.
In how many markets in the US did sales slow, inventories climb, and then prices dropped?
Housing goes through cycles. At the peak of any bubble, there will be people who will claim that we are done with boom and bust cycles, that the paradigm has changed, that prices will just keep rising and you'd better buy right now.
Real estate professionals don't like slowdowns, and it's easy to see why. It's our livelihood, and we'd prefer to have a lot of sales, all the time. But it's not the nature of the beast, and, it's simple economics again, lower prices increases demand.
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October 01 2007
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No housing woes in the state of Washington, no woes in a state of denial.
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October 01 2007
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Good to hear that not all the markets are in a housing slump. Hopefully other cities will follow and go back to same old business as usual. But I am skeptical of as to whether Seattle will be the last bubble to pop out of the housing bubble. I do see a very similar trend that happened with other cities. I think it would be wise not to have appreciation in house prices for the time being. Otherwise this is just another bubble just swelling up and ready to pop.
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October 01 2007
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Nope no woes in seattle.

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December 18 2007
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ROFLOL!

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December 18 2007
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Thank god for Aldreth's bookmarks.  What is amazing is that the cheerleaders three months ago were producing the same misguided garbage that they are today. 

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December 18 2007
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I couldn't agree with this thread more. I live in spokane and it is just booming there.

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December 18 2007
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lol, liking that negative appreciation eh?

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December 18 2007
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The Seattle housing market has remained strong.  ALl you doomers are doing by pulling up old articles is making yoursleves look like idiots.  There was ana rticle the other week that mewntioned booming housing markets, and Washington and Salt Lake City were two of them.

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December 18 2007
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actually many zips in seattle have now turned slightly negative, and the inventory is sky high, while sales rates are falling... kinda reminds me of phoenix 18 months ago...

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December 18 2007
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Here is the article I was looking for... Don't you just love the search feature, ALDRETH?

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/103988/Real-Estate-Last-of-the-Red-Hot-Markets

 

Last of the Red Hot Markets

 

Wenatchee, Wash.

 

Seattle
9.9% $395,300

A post-tech-bubble revival is under way.

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