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True or False: "The seller pays the commissions."

Sorry for the trick question.  The answer is true AND false.

True, commissions are generally deducted from the seller's proceeds at closing.   However, tell me there is a seller out there that doesn't factor this in when deciding what price to sell their property for...and there are no commissions without a paying buyer. 

So, who cares?  If you're a buyer, you should.   While it's difficult for a buyer to impact the commission the listing agent will get, a buyer can impact the amount of commission that the person representing them ultimately receives.     Commission rebates are one such way.   Visit my website to learn more about them:   http://www.ColoradoCommissionRebate.com

 

 
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Of course the buyer pays a commission. It is in the price of the home. When you buy a car, who pays the commission? We don't physically write out a check to the salesman that sells us the card, but he gets paid never the less.

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October 28
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In a short sale or foreclosure, it may not be as clear cut.  It could be the existing lender that is paying the commission.

And if the market has fallen substantially and it is not a "short sale"?  The seller may be bringing money to the table in order to close, and thus may be paying the commissions out of pocket.

Best bet?  Don't sell, and thus don't give any commissions to anyone.  This nation really has no need to be a migratory people.

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October 28
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The homeowner puts the house on the market by signing a listing agreement with his/her/their agent for a negotiated commission fee. The listing agent then offers to cooperate with other brokers by offering other agent a fee to bring in a buyer.
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TRUE!!!!!
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"sorry for the trick question"

yeah, i'll bet!
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I'm glad that "loans by tracy" said it was "TRUE!!!!!" that NO ONE should EVER sell a house or move in the U.S. so that all the loan officers could be put out of business!

We don't need those middle people and it would be much more beneficial to the community if they were doing something else.
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Here we go again. No buyer, no money, no commission. The exception to this might be a flat fee relationship between seller and listing agent.
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October 29
Somehow, I'm sure the answer is that we all pay for the commission, but I haven't quite connected the dots.
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Yes Red Squirrel, that is what the "buyers tax credit" is about, getting ALL of us to pay someone else's commission.
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October 29
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So I guess Pasadenan you believe we should all nest in the same place for Life?  That we don't move up the ladder of life in our journey..........That we stay in the starter homes we purchase and either cram our kids into this space or perhaps don't have children at all? All of the comments I have seen you make are soooo negative......Some of us enjoy working not only for our Prensent but for our Future and our Childrens Futrue!
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November 10
A lot of us grew up in apartments or small houses; I don't think it turned us into broken husks.

As for our children's "Futrue", i think it's more important to teach them not to obsess about moving up the ladder of life ... not to be materialistic, but to focus on what's really important.
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November 10
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Yes I am also not a broken husk. I believe that the property ladder idea has not benefitted homeowners in this country. I do not believe that people should cram themselves into a starter house forever, but I also know that moving every 3-7 years does not allow owners to build much equity. Often they buy, sell, move and start the equity all clock over again on a 30 year mortgage when they "move up." You can't ahead that way unless you are really good at timing the market.

People used to buy a starter, sell it after 5-10 years to move up once and then stayed there forever. Their overall cost was low and they generally had a paid off house before they hit retirement. That was good and acted like a forced low interest saving plan. Today's buyers often retire with massive mortgage debt. That may be a bit negative, but it's true. I want people to use their house to build stability not extend debt.
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November 10
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Well I am glad that you are happy living in an apartment or small house for the rest of your life.......as for me and mine we enjoy working hard and being able to experience the pride of home ownership and seeing the benefit of building equity and using that equity to then expand.........There are many wonderful things to experience in life ....and one of them is HOME OWNERSHIP and the joy of earning the right to move from a one bedroom home to a 2 bedroom home and so on.......I too lived in apartments for many years and can tell you the day I bought my first house changed my life for the better! No obsession here just joy!

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November 10
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There should be a minimum number of posts required before you make snarky posts agains the regulars. I really think you don't get a feel for who the folks are and a comprehensive view of our personalities and perspectives until you've been around a while.

I am sure with time it is noticable that there is a wide range of backgrounds and perspectives. Everyone has cranky days or sore-spot issues or simply areas that they have posted on the same question on dozens of threads.

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"So I guess Pasadenan you believe we should all nest in the same place for Life?  That we don't move up the ladder of life in our journey........"


Ugh.  You agents and your little condescending emotional ploys really make me sick.  I'd rather listen to the death rattle of my only child than ever hear the crap you spew.
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I have spent quite a bit of time reading the posts the  "regulars " make and I gotta tell you I have never seen such agent bashing in my life(talk about Snarky posts).......And if I am correct this is a public forum....
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A lot of the agent-bashing is very well deserved. When agents come on and post fluffy, unsubstantiated nonsense and and "rah-rah" galore - it invites that response.

These boards are most productive for agents when you engage in frank, honest, substantial discourse. I get a lot of clients off here because I am willing to discuss the good and bad of real estate. It is really hard to be taken seriously in a profession when a huge chunk of your profession treats clients like uneducated impulse buyers, and encourages them to be such through their marketing techniques and incomplete information.
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You can bash if you want. It generally makes people look unprofessional, but that's your decision. Personally, I'm not a basher and I try to tell the truth as I see it. I believe in homeownership. What I don't believe in is people who actively spin the truth in an effort to manipulate people for profit. That goes for professionals of all types" realtors, doctors, media outlets, companies etc. Homebuyers need more facts not more rah rah so they can make a good solid decision about whether to buy, what to buy and when to buy. Homeownership should benefit the homeowner not just the industries that make money selling and financing real estate. Agents who understand that have my respect.
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In conversations with friends going through the buying process, I hear the exact same comments in bashing of realtors that I read here.  Is there a public forum anyone knows of where the general population is extolling the intellect and honesty of the real estate profession?
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"I have spent quite a bit of time reading the posts the  "regulars " make and I gotta tell you I have never seen such agent bashing in my life"

That is because you live in a completely insulated world where you and your koolaid drinking coworkers believe the garbage propaganda your cartel promotes.  We don't uniformly agent bash.  Some of us are more irritated than others, and we have high praise for the minority of agents that have a nano-bit of self-awareness and honest.  But in general, the bashing is very well deserved.
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Hmm, a forum where the general population extols the intellect and honesty of agents. Not that I know of. I guess you could always try Trulia where agents extol the honesty of themselves and other agents. 
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November 10
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Most of you folks have NO idea how hard we agents really work ........you don't see what goes on behind the scenes and the effort we put in to fight for our clients rights.......If I don't know the answer to something I don't just make an answer up and I don't just sell FLUFF......I put the information out there..... If my clients are not sure of something I always sugguest they research........I also tell my clients if they are not comfortable with a situation then don't do it.......I have wonderful relationships with my clients and many refferals as well ...........my success speaks for it's self!

Bash all you want but I LOVE MY JOB!!!!
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"you don't see what goes on behind the scenes and the effort we put in to fight for our clients rights...."

What rights are those?  My rights are protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  You're protecting your sale and your commission. 
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Uh - I actually think I do know how hard agents work. I know exactly what goes into the job. Moreover, I know what *should* go into the job, but usually doesn't because there are a lot of things that are not legally required.

I'm glad you like your job Thea. However, Zillow is popular because it is a place to discuss issues, ask questions and get real answers. The buyers/sellers who come on here want concrete information and perspective. And as an experienced agent, I can tell you most buyers/sellers don't care or even want to know how much goes into the job, how undervalued you think you are, etc, etc. They want to know what the bottom line and results are for them. Yeah it might suck, but they are the customer. It can be all about you when you get your hair done, go out to lunch, or go somewhere where you are in the position of being waited on.

Feedback, whether pleasant to take or not, helps us grow and become better agents if we notice trends and adjust appropriately. Even if negative, it is a gift on how to be a better agent.

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I guess I don't understand why you are so upset. I think that I have read most of the threads that you have posted on. I have not seen personal nastiness toward you. Some agents are more insulated from what some in the public feel RE business. That is not an attack on you personally unless you choose to defend the industry as a whole. Every large industry has issues, but all you can do is run your small corner of it to the best of your ability.

It is true that not everyone on the forum will agree with you. This is not Trulia. Feel free to post whatever you like. People may not agree, but that does not mean you need to retaliate. Things on Zillow can get hot. There are a lot of strong opinions here, but most of the time everyone has a chance to say what they think. Looking at other points of view can be valuable even if you don't agree.
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Well I am glad that you are happy living in an apartment or small house for the rest of your life.......as for me and mine we enjoy working hard and being able to experience the pride of home ownership and seeing the benefit of building equity and using that equity to then expand.........There are many wonderful things to experience in life ....and one of them is HOME OWNERSHIP and the joy of earning the right to move from a one bedroom home to a 2 bedroom home and so on.......I too lived in apartments for many years and can tell you the day I bought my first house changed my life for the better! No obsession here just joy!

Most members of the Zillow community believe in the concept of home ownership, but are just not willing to blindly jump into one of lives most significant economic decisions uninformed in the midst of such a heavily manipulated market following one of the most brutal crashes in generations.

I choose to rent - for now. Not all of us lowly renters plan on doing so "for the rest of our lives," but prefer to wait until conditions in the residential RE market, and economy in general, have demonstrably improved in real, quantifiable terms.

BTW, my family and I rent a beautiful three bedroom house with plenty of space and a nice big yard for half what it would cost to pay PITI on an equivalent house in the area, and I'm not responsible for maintenance, repairs, etc.

The appeals to emotion that you employ rather than straight talk based on market fundamentals is one reason why so many REAs are viewed with a skeptical eye among most consumers, FWIW.
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Dacolan is right. I think is a bit crummy of you to assume that anyone who disagrees with you must automatically be a negative person or a renter. I know that cheerleading is big in TX, but can't you try to listen to other points of view without being automatically dismissive? Renting served me well as I researched my market and saved for a down payment. Renting also served me very well when I sold before the market dropped. It allowed me to re-buy in a better neighborhood for less money. Renting is a viable option for many reasons, just as ownership can be.
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Nice Tommy soo Spam-a-licious!!!
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So, you think I said you need to stay in a 100 sqft house for life if that is all your parent's had, and that you need to cram 10 families of siblings into that same structure?

I didn't say that.  I could add on to a structure or build a new one for less than it would cost me to sell and buy an different one with your fees.

Most people don't move across the country, unless it was to go to school, or their job REQUIRED them to relocate.  They stay in the area of family, friends, community and jobs.  And it is not that hard to buy with the potential to upgrade.  But moving every 5 to 7 years just to give a realtor commissions is absolutely stupid.

Proposition-13 helped tremendously in minimizing foolish moves.  But perhaps it went overboard since people that would normally downsize making move-up properties available for younger families chose not to in order to avoid the tax increase.  Sure, California modified Prop-13 to help minimize that impact by allowing a one time downsize without property tax increase; but in general, now the moving is polarized; those that stay over 25 years, and those that move every 3 to 5 years.  And renters still move on an average of every one to 3 years, even though I know many that have stated in one location for 10 to 30 years.

Someone suggested on this board some time back that we implement the "year of jubilee" in the United States.  But that would imply no-one owns property, and that all property is returned to the families of origin every 50 years.  Not very practical considering some families grow a lot, and others don't grow at all, and new families move in from outside the country.

But the idea of "moving up the ladder" is a farce.  Statistically, it rarely happens.  Even if one wins the lottery, they typically lose it all and go right back to where they were.   Sure, there are the "Michel Jacksons", but his dad was "driven" too and instilled that in him.  The economic class of ones family of origin tend to be passed down for generations.  And the interests and skills of the children tend to be in those areas the parents exposed them to when they were very little.  Besides, if you are going to be content in life, you need to stop worrying about what you will eat, or what you will wear, or where you will sleep.
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"Most of you folks have NO idea how hard we agents really work ........you don't see what goes on behind the scenes and the effort we put in to fight for our clients rights"

I agree. Most who do not work in the business have no idea how easy it really is. We work when we want , with whomever we choose and for as little or as much as we want to earn. More often than we are willing to admit, luck plays a huge role.

The beauty of this particular site is that many of the things that have taken place "behind the scenes" are being exposed. Our reputations further deteriorate when we come on here and tout our importance or try to convince skeptics of the "value" we bring to the buying and selling process.

Why do we never see agents write about the easy high profit sale they just made? Things like this happen all the time and we keep them "behind the scenes". Or how about "the takeaway" tactic that agents use to motivate a hesitant buyer? Why is it that no agent here ever tells how when we first get started and we're muddling our way through understanding a settlement statement, we are told time and time again that the most important line on the HUD-1 is the commission? This is probably the one line that is never in dispute at the settlement table since any error is addressed immediately. Behind the scenes? I don't think most agents want this can of worms opened.

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