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UCLA Anderson Forecast: Home prices will drop another 10-15%

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I can't believe I beat Aldreth to the punch on this.

The quarterly UCLA Anderson forecast, released today, predicts further price declines!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iA_x2U43mx665nZhjIMFBTiQA8Ew

"Shulman also expects housing prices to plunge 10 percent to 15 percent before they start to recover, sometime in 2009.

"The small recent minimal declines represent not the end, but rather the beginning of what will be a very painful decline," he wrote.

Housing woes have already started to affect consumer spending and are expected to keep doing so through 2008, the forecast said."
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September 12 2007 - US

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haha :P

Pretty much what I expected them to say.
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Do you think that 10 - 15% decline will be more focused on the CA, FL markets or more nationwide?
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September 12 2007
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Although I don't have the actual report in front of me (you've got to pay for it), virtually all the news outlets are reporting on its content; the way the article I linked to reads, it seems that 10-15% figure is nationwide.

I personally would expect CA, FL, and other bubble regions to drop even more than that, since they certainly inflated more than that during the craze.
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is it a secret report or what?
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It's a members-only economics think-tank at UCLA Anderson School of Management:
http://www.uclaforecast.com/contents/membership/membership.asp
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From their website linked above:
"The UCLA Anderson Forecast is widely recognized for its ability to predict transition points in both the national and state economy. We were the first major forecasting organization to predict the 2001 recession. Our December 2000 Forecast identified the first signs of weakness in the national economy while other blue-chip forecasters continued to make rosy projections of 3% GDP growth. This foresight is not unusual: The UCLA Anderson Forecast also predicted the previous recession in the early 1990s, warning specifically about the potential for severe downturn in Southern California."
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Great stuff, Aratinga. Thanks. BTW I love your pic.
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Ya thats what i was kinda wondering was if their predicitons were dealing with the downturn in socal or nationwide.....guess its all relative
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" Do you think that 10 - 15% decline will be more focused on the CA, FL markets or more nationwide?"

CA, FL, AZ, Northern VA will see the brunt of the declines, probably 20%-30%, while inland or stable areas like Raleigh will likely remain the same or possibly increase in a normal fashion. Just my opinion, but I think the 10-15% decline mentioned isn't across the board, and the areas that have been hit the hardest will continue to be hit harder than the stable areas.
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September 12 2007
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Stupid question: There was a recession in 2001? Funny, that was a great year for me. Property values in my apartment building were skyrocketing and I made much more than I did in previous years! Was this recession before or after 9/11?
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September 13 2007
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10-15% is not a plunge. Show me 30%!
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September 13 2007
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SF bay has been quite resistant to downturn. It is showing ample signs of weakness these days.
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September 15 2007
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Every market correction takes "unexpected" turns...

even though I sometimes say how much I think homes will go down, it is really just a pure guess and so is this piece.

However, I do think, just like on the way up the cycle reinforces itself, it will do so again on the way down:

If home prices drop 20%, we will see a whole different species of foreclosures, people who just don't care anymore. Right now we are seeing foreclosures from people who can't pay their mortgage, but if you 500K home has dropped 100K, even if you could struggle and pay the mortgage, would you? Is the credit rating really worth 100K?

Let me put it to you this way: I would gladly sell my 820 credit score for $100,000 today! I could buy a very nice retirement home in northern thailand for that, and live off of my rental income!
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azrob comes up with the weirdest of ideas.
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wow lkbryant! such insightfull analysis, such profoundly intelligent discourse!
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September 15 2007
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2007 cannot be compared with 1990 because the downturn in real estate values in California was driven by the loss of 450,000 jobs directly or indirectly related to Aerospace. If, in fact we elect a Democrat as president, and as was done during the Clinton administration, Defense budgets were "Slashed", the defense industry and real estate could once again face a similar problem. The main difference this time would be that there are not even 25% of the defense related jobs left in California. The majority of those high paying jobs have been replaced with jobs in the service sector. The good news is California is still a very desirable place to live, even with the cost of housing being very high, weather does not play much of a part in year round employment.
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