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Update on Possible Homebuyer Tax Credit Extension

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Some encouraging news on the extension of the $8000 tax credit…while it is not a done deal (as it still must be reconciled between the House and Senate and then voted on for final approval), it's looking good. And it's not only looking good for the extension, but there are some additional enhancements to the credit in the works as well. Yesterday, the Senate reached an agreement to extend the $8000 tax credit for first-time home buyers. They also added a $6,500 tax credit for other primary home purchasers, meaning not just limited to first time home buyers. They also raised the qualifying income limits in a very meaningful way – singles were increased from $75,000 to $125,000, and joint taxpayers from $150,000 to $250,000. Buyers must have executed purchase agreements in hand by April 30th, and then will have until June 30th to close. More details are likely to come, and changes could be made as reconciliation and voting takes place.

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A gift to you agents from us taxpayers and to the detriment of the economy.  Enjoy it.
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Bad, bad news.
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October 29

This is not a done deal and with the way our congress works, I wouldn't hold my breath that this gets done and in this way. I hope, for the sake of buyers and sellers out there, that it does, but I won't hold my breath.

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I hope for the sake of everybody in this country that is does NOT PASS.  You agents love it because it pushes people into homes that aren't ready and able to buy, thus increasing your commissions.  The rest of us don't want to see our economy suffer just to promote your income.  Sorry.
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October 29
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Barbara Johnson, "NCBeach4Sale"

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Just a year ago I visited my local GM car dealer and asked how sales were going. He answered by asking me how home sales were in the county. When I shook my head and told him I was taking a second job to make ends meet he nodded in empathy. Then he made a pronouncement that opened my eyes to the full impact of the downturn in home sales, "When you sell houses, I sell cars."

Our government missed the target with auto manufacturing bailouts and bank bailouts and stimulus packages that directed money to CEO's and big business while ignoring the average consumer. Cash for Clunkers was a clunker, but the tax incentive for first time home buyers was a clear cut economic winner. The economy responds to incentives that stimulate normal cash flow in communities across the nation and keep the wealth of our country in the hands of hard working small business men and woman.

How can homes sales accomplish so much? Why was my friend so accurate in his assessment that he would sell cars when I sold houses? I call it free-flow economics or "I make it, I spend it, you make it, you spend it economics."

Consider Pete and Sally who despite the economy have good, stable jobs. Newly married, they want to buy a home but have been too busy to look for one. Enter Uncle Sam offering an enticing tax credit of $8,000 if they will go out and purchase their first home. Astute money managers, they see the personal financial value of this offer and they are soon the delighted owners of a home with $8,000 in their pockets to use as they choose.

In the 60 days that it takes to look for a home, put one under contract, close, move in and make it their own, a literal cascade of money flows through and around Pete and Sally. The Realtor who showed the home and the one that listed it, their real estate companies, the Sellers who bought another home, the inspector, the handyman, electrician, plumber and carpenter who made repairs, the appraiser and the lender, the insurance company, the septic cleaning company and the attorneys all share in the cash flow, and that is before the home closes. After closing it's the moving company, landscaper, painter, flooring company, tile man, home decorator, furniture store, fabric company, appliance store, grocer, department store and finally...the car dealer!

The car dealer? Why the car dealer?

There is a basic fact in my theory that bears repeating, I make money, I spend money, you make money, you spend money. Following this economic rule, I have a job, I spend my income on my new house. You help me in one or more facets of my home ownership and you make money. When average workers make money from that house sale, eventually somebody or perhaps everybody has the money to buy a new car or truck with that income. Voila! The sale of a house produces the sale of a car!

Free flow economics. Allowing the American working man or woman to keep more of their own income through tax cuts or tax incentives allows them to make choices in the use of their money that have immediate and direct benefits in the community. The bailout of GM caused my dealer friend to scale back his inventory and lay off workers. Billions of taxpayer money wasted. The first time home buyers tax incentive has spurred the sale of many homes in our small town at no cost to the taxpayer and cars are being sold again.

Contact your Senator and Congressman and ask them to support a continued tax incentive for homes sales. We all benefit

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October 29
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"i call it free flow economics..." Really? so lets see, if people buy homes all will be well?

To heck with it, we could burn down 10% of the homes out there selected at random! Then, tons of people would HAVE to buy homes, and the economy would be super.


By the way, you do realize that your entire weak minded theory was proposed as the Laffer curve, two decades ago, and was completely discredited as government deficits immediately soared?

People who know economics, (People like me, who studied graduate mathematics/econometrics at UC Berkeley) call your theory "the fallacy of the Glazier" A long discredited ridiculous idea that breaking windows would lead to economic growth...

Why do those with no freaking clue, and no education in economics whatsoever feel such a need to write completely self serving drivel? give Realtors money/sales and all the world will be fine!!! hilarious!
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Barbara, I'm no economist and will leave the details to folks like "azrob" and others more qualified. I do understand a few rather important aspects of money and money management. First and most important is you should not spend money you don't have, nor should you borrow more than you can ever really expect to pay back.

Whether the federal government is borrowing or printing the up to $8,000 per new home buyer is the real issue.

The thought of deficit spending and increased debt sickens me when you consider by design it encourages more individual debt. It just makes no sense that the thinking in Washington is that we should create more debt and encourage our citizens to do the same.

We mocked GW Bush when he said "Go shopping".

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October 30
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Barbara, there isn't an economist out there that will say this tax credit is anything but stupid and harmful to our economy. It's good for YOUR business, so you're asking us to support it.  Sorry, I don't think we should hurt our economy to line your pockets.

Billions of dollars are spent, but nothing is produced or served.  Only PROPERTY is being exchanged from one hand to another.  In the majority of cases, this would have occurred without the credit.  It is completely wasteful.  Only an industry wh0re like you NARbots would support it, because it helps you profit.  Only an IDIOT would expect to successfully sell this to an educated public.
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October 30
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I also agree this is poor policy and like Rob I have taken graduate-level economics classes (although Rob has probably taken more of them and is more adept at economics explanations).

Finding ways to create sustainable jobs (as opposed to ones we don't need and don't provide economic value) and incenting good business practices are far better ways to stimulate the economy. Policies like the homebuyer incentive (which will saddle us with far more debt than the wealth they create), and this nonsensical healthcare bill (which will create further net job losses), are nothing but bad juju.

net job gains = more solid economy = recovery

net job losses + increased tax burden + artificial equity = recession/depression

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jk: I did not vote for George Bush, nor am I on his fan list, BUT...I really thought this was an interesting article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091027/pl_politico/28764 

I think that a good portion of what makes this country functional (although perhaps only partially these days) is that we can be critical of leadership. Although opposition and an adversarial system can be painful, it can also lead to better results because it can increase the odds of examining other courses of action.
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...it takes gall and a very selective memory to publish that article when...

--bush spent 27% of his first 3 years(including 2001-2002) at his ranch+camp david

--Obama waited almost nine months before visiting the Big Easy, spent less than four hours on the ground-- FEMA aid was weeks off during a presidentially declared DISASTER

i'm not saying hes the massaiah reborn, but please do not compare him to bush, who now pushes some motivational seminar for 19 bucks per office.(if you can believe a comedian)
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Certainly I didn't make the comparison, I just found it interesting.

Obviously, you can't make any real comparisons until the book is closed on both administrations - maybe even decades later when a more comprehensive set of consequences can be gathered. I do find it interesting though that the media has kid-gloves on. I think it may be confusing some of the policy decisions with a lack of critical feedback. 

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Free flow economics involves taking tax money and giving it to someone who executes a particular type of transaction?

Rob, you do realize you are arguing with people who have extremely simple thoughts.
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"We've got to think about giving out cookies," said Gration. "Kids, countries — they react to gold stars, smiley faces, handshakes, agreements, talk, engagement."

that just about sums up everything you will learn with an advanced poli sci degree^_)^
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Cash for Clunkers was a clunker, but the tax incentive for first time home buyers was a clear cut economic winner.

So what's the difference?  Besides the fact that you like the government propping up your own industry with wasteful and pointless bribes, and not when they do it for others?

The economy responds to incentives that stimulate normal cash flow in communities across the nation and keep the wealth of our country in the hands of hard working small business men and woman.


That's some incredible use of doublethink right there.

How can homes sales accomplish so much? Why was my friend so accurate in his assessment that he would sell cars when I sold houses? I call it free-flow economics or "I make it, I spend it, you make it, you spend it economics."

Ah, I see.  So people massively overpay for assets that will cost them more each month, and then they've got plenty of cash to spend on other stuff.  Makes perfect sense.

Astute money managers, they see the personal financial value of this offer and they are soon the delighted owners of a home with $8,000 in their pockets to use as they choose.

Actually, I think "astute" means the opposite of "incapable."

Free flow economics. Allowing the American working man or woman to keep more of their own income through tax cuts or tax incentives allows them to make choices in the use of their money that have immediate and direct benefits in the community.

So where does the part about borrowing it all from China and only giving it to those who are bad enough with finances to want to buy a house when they are all but guaranteed to be underwater in a year come in?  I think you need to look up what several words mean before posting again.  Especially "free."
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"a literal cascade of money flows through and around Pete and Sally......"

Pete and Sally used the tax credit for a down payment and have nothing left for anyone.
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Pete and Sally overpaid by at least $8,000 and probably more with the extra competition from likeminded idiots. more like A$$ Toot money managers.
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I'm sure Pete and Sally's agent told them that the comps showed recent sales of the equivalent house for much less before the credit started.   Certainly as it would be in the buyers' interests to know this, it was disclosed.
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I'm sure Pete and Sally's agent told them that the comps showed recent sales of the equivalent house for much less before the credit started.   Certainly as it would be in the buyers' interests to know this, it was disclosed.

And surely that was followed by, "So buy now or be priced out forever!"
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C'mon BMF....you know us agents aren't that succinct. Surely they included the following:

"they aren't making anymore land"
"rates are historically low"
"don't forget the write-offs every year"
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