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What does Pasadena real estate zone code PSR 4 mean? Thanks

  • June 18 2012 - South
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Hi, According to the City of Pasadena Zoning Code, PSR4 means personal services restricted (land use).
  • June 18 2012
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Found one with PSR4 using the same approach:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/471-N-El-Molino-Ave-Pasadena-CA-91101/20866656_zpid

Sold, 3/28/14.
Listing was by Century-21.
About 13% off of the original listing price.
I wonder if they would have gotten more if they used an agent they knew the area, or if they would have sold faster.  On the market for 1.5 years.

It is actually zoned RM-48 HL-36
(48 units per acre, with a high restriction of a maximum of 36 feet).
  • April 18 2014
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Another PSR 3 listing (this time with a space...):
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/237-E-Glenarm-St-Pasadena-CA-91106/20860917_zpid

Actual zoning, RM32-HL1
(HL is "height limit" additional restriction).

RM-32 is "Residential, Multi-Family", maximum of 32 units per acre.  Of course, with the "density bonus" for "low income housing" mandated by the State, one can exceed 32 units per acre, but that probably wouldn't apply to that area, but might to the 1411 N. Los Robles.

Listing was removed 8/20/13.  Listing was by Sona Warna.

Again, I don't think she knows the area, using the wrong Zoning designation.
  • April 18 2014
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OK, I did an "advanced search" on Google to find the Home Details Pages on Zillow with "PSR3" in Pasadena California...

(To do such a search, set the "site or domain" to:
 http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/   )

Two show up:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/266-N-Wilson-Ave-Pasadena-CA-91106/20869980_zpid/

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1411-N-Los-Robles-Ave-Pasadena-CA-91104/20913954_zpid/

Both are clearly in the incorporated city of Pasadena (not unincorporated LA County).  But both have PSR3 in the Realtor's description.

And I checked Pasadena City's zoning map, and BOTH are clearly Zoned "RM32", not "PSR3".  As mentioned before, there is NO "PSR3" in the incorporated city of Pasadena.  It is clearly just an agent's "mistake".

The 266 N Wilson property is presently "not for sale".  The listing was removed 8/30/10. 

The 1411 N. Los Robles is also presently "not for sale".  The property was sold 2/9/10.  (Shows as "recently sold", as Zillow allows searching "recently sold" up to 3 years).  This was a Keller Williams listing, and had two co-listing agents, one in Pasadena, and one in Beverly Hills.  Perhaps the Beverly Hills agent wrote the description?
  • April 18 2014
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Los Angeles County Zoning Code:
http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=16274

(Click on "Title 22" in the left margin)

There is no "PS" listed there.
  • April 18 2014
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That probably means that it is not in the incorporated city of Pasadena, but may have a Pasadena postal address (applies to parts of 91104 and parts of 91107 (east Pasadena)).

Still don't know about the PS... some kind of additional restrictions.  SP is Specific Plan, but I don't see PS listing on that set of pages... need to look at the full code.
  • April 18 2014
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R3 is in the Los Angeles County Zoning Code:
http://planning.lacounty.gov/luz/summary/category/residential_zones/

Zone R-3: Limited Multiple Residence
Permitted Uses:

    * Apartment houses, uses permitted in Zone R-1 and R-2 (22.20.260 - 22.20.290)

Minimum Required Area (Unless otherwise specified):

    * 5000 sq. ft./lot (22.52.100)
    * 1452 sq. ft./unit or as otherwise limited by the General Plan (22.20.310 and 22.20.060)

Maximum Height Limit:

    * 35 feet from existing or excavated grade (22.20.300)

Minimum Required Parking:

    * Each bachelor apartment unit, 1 covered space
    * Each efficiency or 1 bedroom apartment unit, 1 1/2 covered spaces
    * Each 2 bedroom apartment unit, 1 1/2 covered + 1/2 uncovered spaces
    * See R-1 and R-2 zones
    * Guest parking required for apartments with a minimum of 10 units at a ratio of 1 space for each 4 units (22.52.1180 and 22.20.330)

Standard Yard Requirements:

    * Front Yard: 15 ft., except as provided (22.20.320)
    * Rear Yard: 15 ft. or 20% of average depth of lot, not less than 10 ft. (22.20.320 and 22.48.110)
    * Side Yards: Interior Lot: 5 feet or 10% of average width of narrow lot, but not less than 3 feet (22.20.320 and 22.48.100) Corner Lot: 5 ft., except on reversed corner lot, which is 7 1/2 feet (22.20.320)

Zone R-A: Residential Agriculture
Permitted Uses:

    * Single family residences
    * Crops (field, tree, bush, berry, row and nursery stock) (22.20.410 - 22.20.440)

Minimum Required Area:

    * Unless otherwise specified 5000 sq. ft./lot (22.52.100, 22.52.250)

Maximum Height Limit:

    * 35 feet (22.20.450)

Minimum Required Parking:

    * 2 covered parking spaces per single family residence (22.52.1180)

Standard Yard Requirements:

    * Front Yard: Same as R-1 (22.20.450)
    * Rear Yard: Same as R-1 (22.20.450)
    * Side Yards: Same as R-1 (22.20.450)
    * Corner Lot: See 22.20.105 regarding development standards for single family residences

Zone RPD: Residential Planned Development
Permitted Uses:

    * Single family residences (22.20.460A)
    * Planned unit development with approved CUP (22.20.460B)

Minimum Required Area (unless otherwise specified)

    * 5000 sq. ft./lot (22.52.100, 22.52.250)
    * 5 acres/development project (22.20.460B1)
    * Density - as established by CUP & zoning (22.20.460B2)

Maximum Height Limit:

    * 35 feet (22.20.460)
    * As established by CUP (22.20.460)

Minimum Required Parking:

    * Same as R-1 (22.52.1180)
    * Same as R-1 through R-4, depending on type of structure or as required by CUP (22.20.460)

Density:

    * As established by CUP and zoning (22.20.460 B2)

Standard Yard Requirements and Development Standards:

    * All yards: same as R-1 (22.20.460A)
    * The Regional Planning Commission, in approving a CUP for a planned development, may modify or require greater yards than those required in a normal single family residential development. Building separation is a minimum of 10 feet for 1 and 2 stories. Add 2 feet for each story above 2 stories (22.20.460B)

The CUP will regulate the type of structures, open space, building coverage, utilities, landscaping, and other features
  • April 18 2014
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It probably means the agent that listed it doesn't know the Pasadena Zoning code.  The city zoning map link was already posted, so you can open the map and find that location and find out the real zoning designation.

Likely the designation is related to their MLS categories for a different city.  R3 typically means "multi-family".  But Pasadena typically represents that in their zoning code as RM16 or RM32.

PS in Pasadena is "public space" such as libraries, hospitals, clinics and schools.

As I posted a couple years ago, the designation doesn't apply to the Pasadena Zoning Code.

Maybe the address is a Pasadena postal address, but not in the incorporated city of Pasadena?  In that case, it is an LA county Zoning designation.  You would need to look it up in the Los Angeles county site.  I know the zoning in Pasadena, but I don't bother trying to keep up with county designations.
  • April 16 2014
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The house I'm interested in purchasing in Pasadena north of 210Fwy also shows PSR3 on the listing, any idea what does it mean?
  • April 16 2014
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Well, I'm still wanting to know where this "PSR 4" designation was seen...

Perhaps on a listing?  Was it an agent error?  What is the context of the original question?
  • June 21 2012
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Interesting.... The question was posted to Pasadena CALIFORNIA, but the answer chosen as "BEST" is from an agent in Houston TEXAS!

Texas agents don't know the Pasadena California Zoning Code.

Perhaps the answer is for Pasadena TEXAS, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the location chosen for posting the question?

Perhaps the Poster accidentally chose the wrong State when posting?

Yes, Pasadena Texas is only about 14 miles from Houston,
just like Pasadena California is only about 13 miles from Los Angeles.

But the codes are different.  Even Zoning designations in Los Angeles are entirely different than Pasadena California.

So, is the question about Texas, or is the question about something else entirely?  Why would a Texas answer that doesn't apply to California be chosen as "best" answer for a California question?
  • June 19 2012
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"According to the City of Pasadena Zoning Code, PSR4 means personal services restricted" -

That is absolutely 100% FALSE!  There is no mention of PSR4 in the Pasadena zoning code AT ALL!

What is going on here?  Letters reversed?  Two designations run together?  Missing letters?  Typing error?  Self Promotion?  Intentional deception?
RS-4 is Residential, Single Family, up to 4 units per acre.  There is a lot of that designation in the southern part of Pasadena, but not next to any PS designation.

Perhaps PD?  Planned Development?  But PD-4 is town homes on Mountain near Fair Oaks, which is not in the Southern part of Pasadena.

Perhaps it is supposed to be SP instead of PS?  SP is "Specific "Plan", but SP-1 is North Lake, and SP-2 is South Fair Oaks, and there is no SP-4, but rather ECSP, EPSP, FGSP, and WGSP.  (CD {Central District}  is also a Specific Plan area).

The question makes no sense, and the answer chosen for "best" makes even less sense.

I certainly wouldn't want an agent representing me that misinterprets the code.
  • June 19 2012
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Personal Services Restricted Use

It is a "land USE" designation, not a "Zoning" designation; but I see no "4" associated with it.


17.50.200 - Personal Services - Restricted and Pawnshops

  1. 500-foot separation required. A personal services restricted use or pawnshop shall be a minimum of 500 feet from another personal services restricted use, pawnshop or massage establishment.
  2. How to measure separation. The distance between any structure used as a personal services restricted use or pawnshop and another structure used as a personal services restricted use or pawnshop shall be measured in a straight line, without regard to intervening structures, from the closest property line of the structure used as a personal services restricted use or pawnshop to the closest property line of another structure used as a personal services restricted use or pawnshop.
  • June 18 2012
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A Search of the Zoning map indicates no "PSR" designations on the map, and it doesn't seem to be indicated as an "overlay" either.

A search of the Zoning code indicates no PSR abbreviation, but as that is apparently a "use" restricted in some Zoning areas, I should look for "personal services" instead.  It might show up in one of the tables.
  • June 18 2012
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Here is a link to the Zoning map:
City of Pasadena Zoning Map
  • June 18 2012
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The entire Pasadena Zoning Code is on line, as well as the full Zoning Map.

PS means "public space" and is typically schools or medical facilities.

I don't remember PSR-4 so I'll quickly look it up.

http://ww2.cityofpasadena.net/zoning/
  • June 18 2012
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