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What happens to people who bought a house in May of 08. Is the new tax credit for 15000 retroactive

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February 05 - Phoenix
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RE: Tammy:You say it's unfair to those who purchased in 2008, at least you are entitled to the $7500.  How do you think the people feel that purchased in 2007 or 2006 or 2000 for that matter.  They reap no benefits of the $7500 or $15000. 

IMHO, be happy with the $7500.

How about someone who bought a house in February of 2008... who gets nothing? what a joke!
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February 13

Not retroactive.

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February 10
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Man, that tax credit would have been great last year.  I bought in July and couldn't use the $7500 due to income restrictions.  I sold a bunch of stock early last year to use for down payment (boy do I feel like a genius there....the particular stocks I sold have lost 75% value since thyen) and have to write a check to the IRS for almost $4000 as a result.  A retoractive nonrefundable credit with no income restrictions would be fine by me! 
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February 10
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Gosh, I am also buying a home wright now, supposedly we are closing later this week, I wander if I should wait another week or so.... when will this thing enact? :?
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February 09
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http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2009/02/09/faq-senate-stimulus-bills-home-buyer-tax-credit/

This Wall Street Journal blog answers lots of the questions here
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February 09
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I am a lawyer and I believe the tax credit is not retroactive unless it's revised.  It only covers people who bought after the date of enactment and within 1 year of enactment.  So lets say the Act is enacted on March 1, 2009, it covers purchases between 3/1/2009 to 2/28/2010.
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February 09
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By the way I also purchased a home in May of 2008 and was confused about the $15 000 but now I think the $7500 is a better deal for me and many people who make less than a six figure income anyway.So don't get frustrated anymore that you will get less,you might actually get more.Be happy now:)
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February 08
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The $7500 was an interest free loan. You are sent a check for the full amount minus whatever taxes you might owe. The $15000 is a tax credit. You don’t get a check. Understand? No check. It is simply a tax cut for anyone making more than approximately $92,000 a year. If you make enough money in the next two years (2009, 2010), to owe $15,000 in taxes (and good for you if you did), and you’re buying a home then you get a tax credit, meaning that that $15,000 will be subtracted from your taxes. If you don’t owe that much in taxes, then you don’t get to keep the difference. An easy way to look at it is this; what will you pay in taxes next year? less than $7500? Then you get to keep that amount. More than $7500? Then you get to subtract up to $15,000 from the taxes you owe. It’s pretty easy to see who this new change will benefit.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a6w9LypCRFh0
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February 08
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Thank you for the response.  I have been following this closesly and understand that BO wants to get this signed by mid Feb.  We are buying the home no matter what but if I don't want to leave any benny's that are just laying out there.  I will call on Monday and extend close for a week which will not be a problem.  If we get a better idea of what the Isakan proposal entails (if passed) then I can adjust back to origanial close date.  Fortunately for us the home is empty and the trust that owns the home does not need to close by an specific date (two to four week extension is fine)

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February 08
Albert -

No one can tell you what you should do about a bill that isn't even law yet. To do that just wouldn't be right. What if I tell you "yes, extend your close" and the bill changes or is removed?

That said, I think you'll know before your currently scheduled close of Feb 27. It looks like the Senate will vote on their version of the Stimulus on Tuesday, and it's expected to pass. Then it will have to go to a Conference committee to reconcile the differences between the House and Senate version. Obama is pushing for a bill to sign, and the press is indicating it'll be on his desk around the 16th (but, anything could happen).
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February 08
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I understand that the benefits of this stimulas plan are still up in the air, but I am asking this question anyways.  Our family signed a purchase agreement on January 27, 2009 with a quick close on Feb. 27. 2009.  The home is vacant and believe extending the close to late March would not be a problem.  I have my rate locked on Feb, 3 at 30 day lock.  Would it be in my best interest to delay closing to end of rate lock to see if congress can get their act together and pass the stimulas plan (Obama signs on as well) to see if 15k tax credit is granted to me?  We do not quallify for the 7.5k tax credit.
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February 08
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As of now, there is a lot of interest and pent-up demand, with most buyers waiting for the magic potion before acting to buy, which is sensible under the circumstances.  If the President and Congress would just think a minute, they would issue a resolution that any incentives passed would be retroactive to January 1, 2009.  By doing so, they would encourage people to move forward and do what they are going to do rather than wait.  The wait-and-see attitude is costing more jobs every day.

I also believe that we should have both tax credit provisions and let homebuyers choose which is best for their situation. Make the refundable 7500 for all buyers and not-repayable and allow it to be monetzied for closing or choose a 15000 actual tax credit over 2 years.

This would encourage first time buyers, which would also create move-up buyers.  The cycle starts when somebody buys something - those someodys needs to start now and Congress is delaying their purchase!

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February 07
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MDAND1...Are you a licensed tax advisor?  Are you one of the people who actually wrote the stimulus act.  If not you have no basis to adise soemone to put the purchase of there home in jeapordy. 
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February 07
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I think I found the answer to the "sunset" question, I went to Isakson's website and got the PDF of the ammendment, it states under SUNSET OF CURRENT FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYER CREDIT: "subsection (h) of section 36 is amended by striking "July 1, 2009" and inserting "the date of the enactment of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Tax Act of 2009." So the old law will now say that home buyers are eligible for the $7,500 "credit" if they bought a home between April 9, 2008 and the date of the enactment of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Tax Act of 2009, which I think means we will still at least get that no matter when we file our taxes. Someone please verify or correct this if you can.

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February 07
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Uncls, yes, delay the closing by any means necessary.  bribe the Seller if necessary.  What's a couple of days to him/her?
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February 07
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Please help.  I close 2/11 when is the enactment date???  I do not want to close and miss this by 2 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought this would take effect, starting 1/1/09 - 12/31/09???????????  
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February 07
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I just purchased a home in Nov. 2008 and it's obvious to me that I will only be getting the $7,500 credit instead of the new $15,000 one.  I'm ok with that, just disappointed that the $7,500 will have to be paid back..considering that the new amount will be a full credit.

What I would really like to see passed is a law stating that the mortgage rates should be set to 4% until futher notice.  Now THAT would be something.

My rate right now is 6.75% and that would make a big difference monthly.
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February 07
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I close on my house on 2/11, is the enactment date the day Obama signs this bill?  Do i need to delay my closing until he signs it?????
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February 07
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It is a shame to the people who purchased previously, but this is about getting people to purchase NOW. I sell homes for a living for a developer and the phones do not ring, period! Some sales, construction and service crews are being laid off. This shows the current very cold freeze.

Many people need to sell their homes (and cannot), they are trying to warn off a foreclosure, move to assisted living, downsize, move to be near ill family members, buy another home etc. This bill is needed to get things moving again.

I'm sure you would love to get the tax break, I bought my home in 1999 I would like the tax break too, but it's not about the past...it's about making our future a better place for all of us.
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February 07
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Sherri, it's hardly the same thing. I agree that everyone should be able to refinance into the lower rates, but that's where it should end for those people who bought before the current downturn. It's not at all unreasonable to ask to be included in something that was in effect and has just been modified within the original time period.
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February 06
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I bought my home in 1993...I want a loan modification and a tax credit and a free trip to Hawaii.  Oh and a year's supply of Starbuck's lattes.
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February 06
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Okay, the more I think about this the more pissed off I get, I feel like I am being punished for buying a house in 2008. It's simply not fair to make those of us who bought after May 2008 pay back this "credit" when everyone else now gets up to $15,000 free and clear. If anything this makes me want to do nothing but sit back and wait next time knowing that something better will come along. Many of us bought a house in part because of the $7,500 "credit" and now it seems like congress is laughing at us. I am emailing my house congressional rep. and telling him that I want this new credit stricken down unless it is made retro to the date of the old one, and I suggest that all of you who bought a house after May of 2008 do the same. It still has to be approved by the house in order to pass.

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February 06
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I bought my house in Feb 2008, would i still qualify for any Tax Credit?
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This is not meant to be condensending in any way.  But given that this bill is not even formally passed, does anyone posting on this thread have the letters CPA or tax consultant next to there name.  If not, I would suggest that we limit any speculation about what may or may not be inlcuded with this bill.

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February 06
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Upon further reading of the bill, I now believe that people who bought in late 2008 will get the $7500 and have to pay it back. The only people this bill affects who would have been affected by the old bill is the group of people who would have bought between the effective date of the stimulus plan and July 1, 2009. Those people will be eligible for the extra money without repayment.
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February 06
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It only seems fair that they make it retro, or they at least make it so the $7,500 does not have to be paid back either. It's not really fair to those of us who were already stimulating the economy by buying in the second half of 2008.
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February 06
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I actually don't agree with a lot of what has been posted, and here's why.

First, when a bill is sunset, it ceases to exist. Hence, if the 15k bill is enacted, the 7500 bill is no longer good law as it is no longer on the books. Whenever someone that bought in the second half of 08 claims the credit, the statute that provides the credit will now say $15000 rather than $7500.

I am also bothered by the prior posts based on the fact people can claim the $15000 credit on their 2008 returns. Taxes are paid on a cash basis based on actual events. No one can claim the $15000 credit on their 2008 return if they simply plan to buy a house in 2009. They must have actually purchased the home in 2008. Anyone that bought in 2008 would only be eligible for the $7500 "credit" as the $15000 credit still is not on the books as of Feb. 6, 2009. Hence, either no one would be eligible to claim the $15000 credit on the 2008 return, or anyone that was eligible to claim the $7500 on their return now gets the $15000.

Moreover, let's remember the point is to stimulate the economy. Congress chose to use these bills through the tax code because it could get checks into people's hands quicker. No one that buys in 2009 will spend the $15000 on the mere thought they will get $15000 along with their refund in April of 2010. Those who bought in late 2008, however, would be able to receive the $15000 once they filed, meaning that the stimulus credits would arrive in bank accounts within months, and therefore would actually stimulate the economy because people will have the money to spend in their bank accounts.
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February 06
I found some information that may help clarify the question of whether or not the bill is retroactive. From Wikipedia: "a sunset provision or sunset clause is a provision in a statute or regulation that terminates or repeals all or portions of the law after a specific date". We have all read that "The amendment would sunset the current $7,500 housing tax credit on the date of enactment." So I believe this means nobody will have to repay the credit.
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February 06
I have the same question, the answer does not seem to be clear to anybody. I won't mind if I only get the 7500 but I would love not having to re-pay it.
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February 06
I think what people are forgetting is that the 7500 has to be repaid, and the 15K is a true credit.  I'm in the boat of people who bought in the 2nd half of 08, and I'll be pretty disappointed if it's not retroactive.  $7500 loan is nothing compared to a $15000 bonus. 
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