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Why Rent When You can own for less than renting???

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Why are people in todays market still choosing to rent even with les than perfect credit or little to no money down? I would be more than happy to answer anyones home buying question or concerns in todays real estate market.

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Please read the post by Zillow called "no spam or self promotion" (in the mortgage folder.

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im not in mortgage....???
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Zillow has a no SPAM policy, and we aren't talking the processed meat.

Posting for the purpose of self promotion....so not cool. 

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And BTW, I rent and your argument could be torn into shreds in a nano1second, so just exit the room and don't even try it. With 65 posts you aren't ready for the game and ths isn't an NAR lovefest of REAs patting each others backs.
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Is posted on every discussion and question page, and also under the text input box adjacent to the "submit" button.  Obviously those that think anytime is a good time to buy don't bother reading most things of value, or anything with real information.

Amanda, if you would like to "overpay" for a house so that you can watch the value decline and see equity dissapear and become "underwater" with your loan, I'd be happy to sell you my house for $4 million.

(And don't forget, that for most buyers in the U.S., the "standardized deduction" is substantually more than any deduction they could get from itemizing their mortgage interest.)  And we all know that rent includes a lot of expenses that owners have to add to to their principal, interest, insurance, and property tax payments.  But perhaps if they had any math experience, the Realtors would have been CPA's instead?

Now what is the Chiffon dress supposed to be advertising?
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Pasadenan,

I am sorry to hear you had a bad experience in the realestate market and were obviously badly advised and or not represented prroperly.

However your are completely inccorect as to what the market is and isn't doing. the market in st. charles count alone has consistantly been up 10% monthly with  most of the homes listed getting 98% of there asking price.

Due to your sales price unfortunately your not in a hot market at this time. the grants and programs out there to assist you don't reach a 4 million price tag.

Buying a home is always a solid investment for your future. With the tax right off and actually have something that can and does appreciate that you can acutally use I would say is a win win.

If your getting your information soley from zillow on what the market is your need more assistance.
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I am not sure what your tring to do. But if you have an arguement to present. then do so professionally. If you are going to be hateful agressive and obviously uneducated then you exit the room. I am swy I didn't know this was considered spam I was only tring to open a friendly talk about how people feel about renting or buying. Haha as far as tearing my agruement to shreds. One I didn't know it was one. And two its a fact that renting is not a investment for your future and costs you more money in the long run and you never see a return. Have you actually taken your rent amount contacted your sales office and asked what they paid be each unit. then take your rent amount and put a adjustable rate mortgage on it what interest rate do you think you have?????? Oh your not getting tax incentives your landlord is. Sweetie all because I only have what was you said 69 contrubutions only means im new to zillow not realestate.

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the market in st. charles count alone has consistantly been up 10% monthl

It's been doubling every 7 months there?

Buying a home is always a solid investment for your future. With the tax right off and actually have something that can and does appreciate that you can acutally use I would say is a win win.

Have you recently come out of a 3 year coma?

If you are going to be hateful agressive and obviously uneducated then you exit the room.

So you're leaving, then?

Haha as far as tearing my agruement to shreds. One I didn't know it was one. And two its a fact that renting is not a investment for your future and costs you more money in the long run and you never see a return.

Well Lady C has saved about 100k in equity in the last 2 years by selling and renting, so I believe her future is much better off for having rented.  Buying rarely ever pays off unless you live in the same house for at least 10+ years.

Have you actually taken your rent amount contacted your sales office and asked what they paid be each unit. then take your rent amount and put a adjustable rate mortgage on it what interest rate do you think you have?

She's not ever paying his full mortgage amount from what I recall.  I think he's subsidizing a good 10% and trying to stay afloat.

Oh your not getting tax incentives your landlord is.

Getting to write of capital losses is not a great argument for buying.
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She lives in virgina and her market is vastly different from mine.

no you don't have to own for 10 years. 3-5 years is the average 7 at most.

I own two homes currently and they both appraised for more than I purchased and I could sell them both for a profit.

Given her situation and that market renting a short term solution until her market stabalizes is a good idea however its not an investment for her future.

get tax credits. grants and since its a buyers market rates are at there lowest.

there has never been a time in realestate where rates and prices were where they are. Why would anyone want to rent when they can own a home at a low fixed rate for less than they rent.

Wether your renting or paing a mortgage if you could be happy with your payments at a low fixed rate why wouldn't you buy???? what because you cant afford the home? but its less than renting. What house maintnance costs get a home warranty. Buying a home is always in the long run a better investment.
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The "no spam or self promotion" post happens to be in the mortgage folder, but it is the general Zillow policy.    You can also read the good neighbor policy that is also general.   Playing by the rules when on a forum such as this will give you a more positive reception.

"Buying a home is always a solid investment for your future.
"  is straight NAR propaganda.   This is a very sadly amusing statement and for an agent to post it suggests a homework lesson in understanding the current housing crisis.    Try telling this to the people who've lost 20% or 50% of their home value in the last few years and now have to move, are going into foreclosure, short sales, bankruptcy etc.

Whether or not a home purchase is a good idea has many components and is not a wise decision for many people.   You could be of great value to your clients by helping them evaluate this decision.
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"There has never been a time in realestate where rates and prices were where they are....Buying a home is always in the long run a better investment."

Everyone has their own opinion, but many buyers that believed both of of your statements in the last few years are currently trying to get loan modifications or have already been foreclosed upon. Real estate can work as part of an overall financial plan. Saying that is is ALWAYS better in the long run means that you have failed to learn much about the market from recent history. Buyers must run the numbers including the costs of buying/selling. Things like commissions, loan costs, escrow costs, maintenance, taxes etc. add up over time. The appreciation of a property, any tax benefits and the other costs must have a net positive at the end or it is not a good investment. Blanket statements from people who provide information should be a red flag. 

I think that buyers should do their own research and not rely on the representations of others. Buyers considering their local market can run numbers through the rent vs buy calculator here. It is not a complete answer, but I think it is good to start with the basic numbers and go from there.
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her market is vastly different from mine.

Of course.  Every agent's market is different, and full of sunshine and puppies.

no you don't have to own for 10 years. 3-5 years is the average 7 at most.

Maybe in your magical land of 10% monthly appreciation.  In the real world prices increases being slightly better than inflation and people actually accounting for carrying costs, it's 10+ years.

I own two homes currently and they both appraised for more than I purchased and I could sell them both for a profit.


If you had been smart enough to have done so 3 years ago, then you might have more credibility arguing business sense.

Given her situation and that market renting a short term solution until her market stabalizes is a good idea however its not an investment for her future.

I see that you are unfamiliar with the term "opportunity cost."

Buying a home is always in the long run a better investment.

Ah, the popular fallacy of "buy right now or never buy."
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Truthfully, O'Fallon has too many mosquitos for me. The sound of this agents description sounds more like a RE market video game where you enter the code and get infinite appreciation of 10% a year. Is there a code to make me invincible to home repairs too? That would be a nice trick worth paying extra for.
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Sunny view I think your opinons and statements are very valid and I appreciate your comments thank you. o'fallon does have alot of mosquitos but its to cold now there gone.

for the home repair quesiton contact hsa or global home warranty. I have it on both my homes and i love it you can renew the warranty every year its usually a 50-79 dollar deductable and if something breaks they come out and fix it awesome. I make sure all my buyers get one.

As for bmfpitt.
Hhaha what is your problem with nar...
Buying a home is always a solid investment for your future."  is straight NAR propaganda.   This is a very sadly amusing statement and for an agent to post it suggests a homework lesson in understanding the current housing crisis.    Try telling this to the people who've lost 20% or 50% of their home value in the last few years and now have to move, are going into foreclosure, short sales, bankruptcy etc.

I completely understand this statement and the market did in some states completely do just that. However taking your attitufde that realestate is not a smart investment because some people made a bad buisness decision is irresposible and just plain wrong. Purchasing a home is always a smart investment for your future if your ready your educated you have done your homework. who are you to take a way a persons perception of there own value system.

As for your other statement about me not giving my buyers the education and choice. I am also a property manager with a established long term relationships with rentors. I do just that I have had people who thought they were ready to purchase and I sat them down and explained piti, fixed adjustable, maintnance etc. Please stop insulting me present your arguement repsectfully or please do not respond.

Maybe in your magical land of 10% monthly appreciation.  In the real world prices increases being slightly better than inflation and people actually accounting for carrying costs, it's 10+ year

Sweeties sales have consistantly been up 10% not home appreciation read... and if you'd like to check that information yourself you can contact my assocaiton president. st. charles county assocaiton of realtors. do you think I just say things to say them.mark stallmann is his name

If you had been smart enough to have done so 3 years ago, then you might have more credibility arguing business sense

I said I could sell them I didn't say I wanted to!!!! again please do not insult me.


Buying a home is always in the long run a better investment.

Ah, the popular fallacy of "buy right now or never buy

Noone said that but you.....  buying a home is a good investment if your ready for the investment. aren't you an investor manger from your page... hmm so being a walking contridiction hmmm. Or do you just want to keep renting out your places???
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wetdawgs I apologize new to the site can I edit the thing to remove the stuff?? thanks
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I can't believe all the incorrect grammer and misspelled words coming out of Missouri. Especially from a real estate professional. Is this how people talk and write out there?
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It is also coming out from Los Angeles CA. Especially from a not real estate professional, many OPs, who asks the question on Zillow is do as same! 
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Yes, but you don't have a professional designation next to your name. And as far as I can tell, you are not looking for business here.
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haha that is hilarious. I will tell you I think my bad grammer mixed with adhd gets me sometimes. lol. I always say this "not so good with spell check but I am good at realestate".
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As for bmfpitt.

Get your quotes straight.  Half of that was wetdawgs.

However taking your attitufde that realestate is not a smart investment because some people made a bad buisness decision is irresposible and just plain wrong.

It's not a bad investment because some people made a bad business decision, it's a bad investment in the current market because houses are still overpriced relative to income and they have nowhere to go but down (in real dollars, at least) when Helicopter Ben finally has to stop giving away money at 0%.

Purchasing a home is always a smart investment for your future

Do you even think about how silly writing that makes you look when you're doing it?

Please stop insulting me present your arguement repsectfully or please do not respond.

Stop asking me for my argument if you're going to keep ignoring it.

Sweeties sales have consistantly been up 10% not home appreciation read

Then you should learn how to properly convey that useless bribe-induced fact.  When someone says "the market is up 10%" they are not talking about volume.

I said I could sell them I didn't say I wanted to!!!! again please do not insult me.

Stop throwing me softballs then.

Noone said that but you

You said that now is always the time to buy, I slapped that stupid talking point down with logic.

aren't you an investor manger from your page

What page?

hmm so being a walking contridiction hmmm. Or do you just want to keep renting out your places???

I'm not sure if you're being dishonest or delusional.  Let me know which so I can better respond.
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Not to mention you are very beautiful!
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It's not a bad investment because some people made a bad business decision, it's a bad investment in the current market because houses are still overpriced relative to income and they have nowhere to go but down (in real dollars, at least) when Helicopter Ben finally has to stop giving away money at 0%.

Sweetie do you have a clue what your talking about. Who do you think dictated the prices...?????? not realestate professionals not lenders ...... buyers and sellersssss. are you even a home owner have you even been through the process or experience or did you just read about it?? Prices in what state what market!!! who set the price consumerssssss. Everyone want to point a finger at everyone else..

Stop asking me for my argument if you're going to keep ignoring it.

If you want my honest opinon im just getting plain bored with your nonsense. lol you have your opinon about what you think the market is thats great fine.. I feel buying a home is not only a foundation for your life and what most people strive for but it is a good investment and your not going to tell me otherwise.

You said that now is always the time to buy, I slapped that stupid talking point down with logic

Your right I did say now is the time to buy... Rates are good prices in my area a wonderful and I am grateful to be busy. But because I say now is the time to buy doesn't mean that if you buy at another time its not the right time for you. don't twist words

I had you mixed with an investor im speaking with on another page.

thank you hoangchauphan (did i spell that right) lol swy
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My head is exploding. I need some lolcats.
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Sweetie do you have a clue what your talking about.

Yes, I figure one of us should.

Who do you think dictated the prices...?????? not realestate professionals not lenders ...... buyers and sellersssss.


And?

are you even a home owner have you even been through the process or experience or did you just read about it?

House is done, not moving for another 6 weeks.

Prices in what state what market!!!

99.9% of the country.

who set the price consumerssssss. Everyone want to point a finger at everyone else..

Who am I pointing a finger at for what?

I feel buying a home is not only a foundation for your life and what most people strive for but it is a good investment and your not going to tell me otherwise.


I'm not going to convince young Earth creationists otherwise, either.  That doesn't make mocking them any less fun.

Your right I did say now is the time to buy... Rates are good prices in my area a wonderful and I am grateful to be busy.

Looks like you're just now getting back in line with a price/income ratio of 2.5.  Congrats, now as soon as you drop another 10-20% due to the economy, you'll have a buyer's market.

I see why it's easy to have 10% month over month gains in volume though, that only means selling 5 more houses.


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Hi BMFPitt, your 'Bigger' doesn't work.
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Sorry to have posted and bailed, thanks BMFPitt, my BFF you are.  

I have made more than I have lost in real estate, but if I had bought a home when I moved in 2007 I would be negative to a minimum of $100K.  I a sure the shmuck who is selling nearby who moved in two days prior to me is the bigger fool than me, I am fine "throwing" away $60K over the past two years to rent, cause even with a 20% down I would be sucking wind if I had to sell.  

Amanda, your a grasshopper, keep your mind open and you will learn much.  We have had some agents come in here with fire and all this cheerleading and then they get a dose of reality and only then can they truly grasp the big picture.  



Otay Amanda, here is the bonus question of the day, answer it correctly and we will let you stay and play, answer wrong and we continue to spank you back to Truila:

Who pays the commish on the house during the sales transaction? 

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That's weird and nonsensical.  Anyway, if you copy the image path and chop off the stuff after .jpg it'll work.
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My tax benefit if I were to be an owner.....ZERO cause the cost to maintain the home is negated by any tax break......DOH!  

WTF, you mean I can live in a house for 3-5 yrs and make a profit....oh dang, what rock have you been living under?
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Prices in what state what market!!!

99.9% of the country. stupid and unture do you even know what market makes up this bubble you are talking about with blah this blah that do you even know what state makes up the majority of your unfounded fantasy world you think is realestate.

who set the price consumerssssss. Everyone want to point a finger at everyone else..

Who am I pointing a finger at for what?

those two comment aboves were the dumbest thing I think I have heard you say.

Looks like you're just now getting back in line with a price/income ratio of 2.5.  Congrats, now as soon as you drop another 10-20% due to the economy, you'll have a buyer's market.



 feel buying a home is not only a foundation for your life and what most people strive for but it is a good investment and your not going to tell me otherwise.

I'm not going to convince young Earth creationists otherwise, either.  That doesn't make mocking them any less fun

the fact the mocking people brings you joy. Just make you look less educated and like a child so keep on keepin on

Looks like you're just now getting back in line with a price/income ratio of 2.5.  Congrats, now as soon as you drop another 10-20% due to the economy, you'll have a buyer's market

Again you can pull graph and charts and pull your head the clouds for all I care you don't know my market I do. You don't understand the inner workings of the realestate world read away your opinon is meaning less and comes from a uneducated place media fed everyone told me place right.

lady chattle

Your telling me I can maybe play hmmm. right. anyway. I am swy to hear you could afford routine maintance on your home for 379.00 a year you could have saved yourself the headache. I think that makes your point void. i'd be more than happy to send you that information for your review on your next home purchase.

Two on a realestate transaction normally a seller in my state would have alisting agreement with a cooperating broker and agree to the terms set fourth in cooperating with another agency. However I have done transactions where the buyer has paid my commission and not the seller. so there is no right answer it the agency agreements that matter.
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