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helping out a friend--painting tips

okay, i sold a house to a nice lady in spr2007, and she put 70k into fixing it up... yes 70k into a home she will be selling for 300k, goes to show what HGTV did for the housing market too, anyone can flip:P anyway, so the house was a 1968 and it was painted 3 times, white, green(very bright green) and white again. on the north wall of the exterior the paint was already peeling up alot. i dont know whether or not she powerwashed it but i guerentee that tere was no scrape/scubbing because: shocker of shockers, the fresh month old coat of exterior paint is already bubbling and peeling up in places. my question is 2 fold, 1 how much more complicated is taking off the new paint(how much did she screw up) and what is the best way for her to fix her mistakes... FSBO means on the cheap, but even i know that you cant paint over peeling paint, grr...

  • April 05 2008 - US
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by the way, it is a wood exterior, oil based outer coat and the paint is peeling all the way to bare wood.

  • April 05 2008
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Ok, I'm baffled.  You say on your profile that you are 18 and trying to learn to be able to purchase your first home; but you say here that you sold a house a year ago...  And then you said on another thread that you work as a stock-boy for Walgreens.

 

So now you are trying to help out the person you suposedly sold a house to that didn't know how to prep a hous for painting?

 

Whose house did you say you painted without scraping?

 

  • April 05 2008
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i painted zilch, i sold my dad's house to a neighbor who wanted a house nearby for her son to move into so they could be close(actually neighbor lady's cousin, neighbor lady couldnt get a loan after oh 7-8 months of waiting) i am a relatively private person, who happens to work in the photo department of walgreens, but circumstances beyond my control have lead me to take on a lot. i am actually 19 now, will be 20 in august and should graduate from a community college with an assosciates degree which i hope to transfer to a four year degree.

 

my dad never had his house painted once since we moved there in 1995~ish i was little then... never stained the deck, had animals using the basement as a bathroom cause he wasnt taking care of them, and lastly died in 2006 2 months after my 18th birthday, and i think that is more info than you really need. my name is not actually brian like my profile says.

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i regret posting that

  • April 06 2008
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what was the point of that post? you dont think i'm 19? you dont think i work for walgreens? you dont think there is an exterior wall that needs painting... i gotta say all 3 would be pretty pathetic to lie about...  i could be like that troll guy pretending to sell all of alpines houses for him!

  • April 06 2008
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i have changed my profile slightly, anyone interested in my real story can read it there, as you can see the closest thing to a lie i have ever posted on zillow is calling the above lady a friend, in fact this question was for my own knowledge and even if/when i see her next i intend not to share your answers with her. i am going to laugh as the paint peels up more and more. and as her house deteriorates and as she continues to blow her budget 70k and growing while her equity declines(it was never worth the asking price for a minute.)

  • April 06 2008
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Yeah I don't really understand questioning your profile, because it really has nothing to do with the questions you asked. 

 

I scraped the paint off of a shed that sounds like the same material as the house you're talking about.  It was an enormous PITA. 

 

The only advice I can give you is to say be glad it isn't you.  :)

  • April 06 2008
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I question profiles for 2 reasons:

1) There is at least one, but perhaps as many as 5 people that are creating multiple fictitious people specifically for creating confussion, making it look like Zillow gets wider use than it actually does, and for taking up the time of the various professionals that use the boards.

2) I customise any answers I give for any specifics I know about a person; if what they say makes absolutely no sence (like never owning a home but they sold it anyway, but they hoped to buy one eventually even though they already owned one, even though they had no intention of ever keeping it, even though their income range would never qualify for a mortgage...) they why should I bother to answer.   It must just be the same person that said they are moving from Eastern Europe who claims to be from London England, who claims they are trying to buy in Calilfornia, but who wants Real Estate data for Europe.

 

That being said, Harbor Freight Tools often has very nice carbide tip scrapers on sale for about $2 each.  Though a good latex paint will stick to itself, if it is really pealing, it probably is not adhearing at all to the old paint or the wood.  It will probably peal easily in large sheets with the scraper, and then one can do proper sanding, priming (exterior stain block of some kind, especially if siding is redwood), and new paint.

 

On the other hand, just call a few professional painters and avoid making the same mistake again.

 

 

  • April 07 2008
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By the way, most day labors have lots of experience with scraping, sanding, and painting.  If you have the ladders, scrapers, sanders, and other tools for them, and you pick up about 3, they tend to be very efficient, and slightly competitive with each other.  Usually at least one will speak enough English to help the others with your instructions; but demonstation always helps as well, especially if you work along side them.

 

 

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Best way to learn the "tricks of the trade" is some kind of Aprenticeship.  Church groups often have camp maintenance weekends, or building project mission trips...  Or other non-profit groups like "Rebuilding America Together", or "Habitat for Humanity" can always use volenteers and usually someone on the team has experience and will assist the volenteers.

 

Then you could alway do "day labor" for a few weeks and learn from those that hire you and those you work along side.  Or you could do the normal apprentice route with a professional contractor if you believe the trade is something you would like to do more professionally.

 

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yes well i think that i would rather have a degree than 2 years in mexico building houses on a resume, especially if my career goals focus on economics and not you know... plumbing(although i do know how to wire patch panals and phone boxes) it isnt a useful skill.

 

i am quite sure i have never used zillow under any other name

 

 

  • April 08 2008
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By the way, most day labors have lots of experience with scraping, sanding, and painting. If you have the ladders, scrapers, sanders, and other tools for them, and you pick up about 3, they tend to be very efficient, and slightly competitive with each other. Usually at least one will speak enough English to help the others with your instructions; but demonstation always helps as well, especially if you work along side them.

 

In Oklahoma, it can now be a felony for you to hire illegals like this.  If you employ them, or rent to them, you will end up in prison if you get caught.  It is not worth the risk.

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If you don't plan on having any construction or maintenance experience, then why bother asking how it is done...  just hire a contractor...

 

And who said anything about Mexico?

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Usually at least one will speak enough English to help the others with your instructions

 

The "day laborers" around here who don't speak English are from Mexico. 

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In Pasadena, we used to have about 6 street corners on Villa St where people would wait if they wanted work for the day.  The city didn't like them lottering in those areas, so posted signs stating that it was illegal to pick people up for work there and illegal to solicit work there; instead, they opened a "job center" down the street on Lake Avenue at Villa St.  All worker qualifications and documentation is pre-checked, so it is not necessary for those needing additional labor assistance for a few days to do the checking or ask to see a green card or other identification.

 

Regarding the Mexico comment; it was in reference to NTES.  I'm still trying to determine where he actually lives, posting at 3:00 am Pacific Daylight time, and implying that Mexico missions are things his church youth group or young adult group did, but states he lives in Seattle Washington or Des Moines Washington.

 

For someone that claims to be only 19 and never owned a house, and never painted a house, and works at Walgreens, and a full-time junior college student, his postings imply something entirely different.

 

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Regarding the Mexico comment; it was in reference to NTES.

 

I figured that part pas. 

 

Are the people who are trying to get work legal American citizens or not? 

I can't imagine a legal citizen here basically begging for work.  They go out an apply somewhere...even if it the dreaded *gasp* Wal-Mart.

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I don't know if you are really 19 and work at Walgreens or if you sold your fathers home. I don't see what that has to do with the question you asked.

My mother works at Lowes in the paint department, she also is always changing and painting something. If the paint is peeling then you have to scrape it off. Painting over it is not going to cover anything, the bubbling and peeling will still be able to be seen. If you don't want to hire anyone do some research on the best types of paint and prep.

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"like never owning a home but they sold it anyway, but they hoped to buy one eventually even though they already owned one, even though they had no intention of ever keeping it, even though their income range would never qualify for a mortgage...)"

Maybe his father left him some money or had life insurance. It could have been to hard for him to stay in the home due to memories. I just trying to give him the benifit of the doubt.

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How does a person's representation of self affect the basic question about painting?  The comments off course speak more about those who chose to redirect than anyone else.

 

Back to painting: thorough scraping will be required.  Make sure that the paints are compatible and everything bone dry.

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"How does a person's representation of self affect the basic question about painting?"

 

Very simply, if a person has 10 years experience in painting, the answer is different than if they never painted anything; and if a person does not have anything to paint, the answer is different again, and if they are trying to advise someone else about a 3rd party's mistake, they are probably making a mistake if they have no experience.

 

But more seriously, there is someone posting on these boards that wants to have all kinds of time used by "professionals" for conditions they never experienced, apparently to keep them from doing real work, or to get them to put their foot in their mouth so they can be sued.  Oer perhaps their real intent is so they can pretend someone else's answer is theirs so they can pretend to be knowledgable in a field they have no experience.

 

But this person has already made his intent known; he wants to use as much BS as possible to see if anyone can detect it; he is trying to master the art of BS.  At least that is what the person posted on his profile.

 

 

 

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