http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/Has-anyone-dealt-with-NVR-mortgage-company-a-subsidiary-of-Ryan-Homes-builder/252501/ Zillow Advice | Zillow Real Estate http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/Has-anyone-dealt-with-NVR-mortgage-company-a-subsidiary-of-Ryan-Homes-builder/252501/ I think you will find that there rates and fees are not that competitive even when they are done playing their shell game with incentives Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:18:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/Has-anyone-dealt-with-NVR-mortgage-company-a-subsidiary-of-Ryan-Homes-builder/252501/ 2009-07-03T18:18:00Z