Zillow Advice: Buying Process - legal / ethical question http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ Zillow Advice | Zillow Real Estate I'd say that about the only ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ I'd say that about the only practical recourse that you have is to point out that the agreement states that the property should be in the same condition as it was when you made the offer and that you should be able to terminate the agreement if that isn't the case.<br/> Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:35:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-11T16:35:00Z Anything that is not a fixed ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ Anything that is not a fixed item in the property needs to be written into the contract. If not written into the contract&nbsp;it can be a real issue.&nbsp;Also, read over the MLS listing and see if anywhere in the listing it mentions "building materials to stay".&nbsp; If it does, you may be able to find an opportunity for recourse. Unfortunately "short sales" can lose these things even if the seller does not take them. Vacant properties can be easy targets.<br/><br/>Good luck! Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:54:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-11T05:54:00Z Building supplies if not ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ Building supplies if not written in the contract is just that, oersonal property or chattel. Look over contract and ask your Realtor to explain. Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:20:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-11T05:20:00Z jr6678, agents don't restrict ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ jr6678, agents don't restrict access to owners. &nbsp;Can you elaborate on how the agent allowed the owner to access the property? Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:05:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-11T05:05:00Z As long as it is his property, ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ As long as it is his property, there is no way to keep him off his property.<br/><br/>Good luck. Mon, 11 Nov 2013 04:26:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-11T04:26:00Z The total cash value of everything ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ The total cash value of everything he removed is probably $2K - $3k so it isn't a huge issue. At this point I am more concerned about this guy have free access to the place until closing. He seems to have a reputation of being a shady character and there is all kinds of exposed copper pipe and wiring that could easily be removed and cost much more than the building materials. If this happens I could back out of the deal but I was hoping there was some way to prevent it up front. This whole process has been going on for months now and I would hate to start over now. Thanks for the info.<br/> Mon, 11 Nov 2013 01:32:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-11T01:32:00Z As you mentioned that the ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ As you mentioned that the property is a short sale, the seller is&nbsp; not yet out of the equation and it is still his/her house. &nbsp; <br/><br/>Yes, you are right.&nbsp; In retrospect putting the lumber in the contract would have been wise.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can get a very laundry tub for &lt; $200 with an average one being well less than $100.&nbsp; Do you wish to hold up the sale for this?<br/><br/><br/><br/> Mon, 11 Nov 2013 01:01:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-11T01:01:00Z I thought that I might be ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ I thought that I might be out of luck with the building supplies but I was more concerned about what could be done to the property. I have read a bunch of horror stories about disgruntled property owners vandalizing properties that are being foreclosed on. Up to this point all dealings on the property have been with the bank. This is what made me question if he is allowed access to the property. I appreciate the help. The real estate agent cant even answer my questions on any of these items. <br/><br/>Most of the items removed were building materials, siding, lumber, etc. There is a large laundry tub missing in the basement that was attached when we viewed the house. I think I made a mistake by not specifying the building materials stay with the property on my contract. Since the bank was listed as the seller I thought the previous owner was out of the equation.<br/><br/>Thanks for the help&nbsp; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 00:40:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-11T00:40:00Z In my admittedly limited ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ In my admittedly limited dealings with real estate, "as is" refers to the condition of the house, meaning the owner has no intention of correcting any defects/issues. "As is" does not apply to furnishings, wall hangings (i.e., artwork, mirrors, etc.), appliances,&nbsp;etc. Now, if the current owner removed the cabinets, toilets, sinks, countertop, or...<br/><br/>From how you phrased your question, it sounds like your question should be "what conveys with the property". And the various answers will be variants of "it depends", "review your contract", and "built-ins convey, everything else is negotiable".<br/><br/>Either way, the REA allowing the owner to enter the property under these circumstances doesn't sound "un-ethical". Technically, it's still their house and I doubt the REA has the legal standing to keep them out of the house.<br/><br/>As to the legality of the items removed, that depends on what the items are. As for your point-of-view, I think it, and any conclusions based on the point-of-view, I think they're flawed. Sun, 10 Nov 2013 23:02:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-10T23:02:00Z You may wish to talk with ... http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ You may wish to talk with an attorney. <br/><br/>Until you close on the house, you do not own the house and the seller has access to the house.&nbsp; The seller does not need to be escorted because it is his/her house. &nbsp; &nbsp; There is no ethical violation letting the owner into the home until you've closed.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Unless you specifically mentioned the unattached building supplies present on the property in your accepted purchase offer, you may be out of luck.&nbsp;&nbsp; You mentioned "possibly removed" items that were attached.&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you have a specific list, or is this speculation?&nbsp; If specific items were removed, then request they are either returned and reinstalled or a credit at closing.<br/><br/><br/> Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:56:00 GMT http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/legal-ethical-question/518570/ 2013-11-10T22:56:00Z