Even with interest rates at historic lows - I have been asked the question more than once lately “should I buy the rate down even lower?”
My answer - “It depends.”
Discount Points - How They Work
The simplest way to describe a discount point is “you give the bank money and they give you a lower rate.” As a consumer, you pay a dollar amount up-front and in exchange, you get a lower interest rate. How much you pay up front and how much lower the rate that you get is somewhat negotiable. I use “somewhat” because it really does depend on a number of factors - and the factors usually change all of the time… but in general, there is a simple rule-of-thumb to use when paying discount points.
Discount Points - A Simple Rule of Thumb
While not *exactly* accurate, the general rule of thumb is that for every 1% of the loan amount - or every 1 discount point that is paid up front, the rate will drop .25%.
So as an example, if the par rate were 5% for a 30 year fixed rate mortgage on a $200,000 loan, if you wanted to get a 4.75% rate, it would cost roughly 1 discount point or $2,000 up front.
Using the above example $200,000 loan, if you paid one discount point, here is what the math would look like:
$200,000 x 5% = $1,073.64 monthly payment
$200,000 x 4.75% = 1,043.29 monthly payment
Difference in monthly payment = $30.35 each month or $364.20/year
Break-even = around 6 years.
Discount Points - When They Make Sense
In the above example, it would possibly make sense to pay a discount point and buy the rate down if you planned on having the loan longer than 6 years.
Generally speaking, the longer that you plan to have the loan, the more sense it may make to buy the rate down. If you are moving into the home of your dreams and planning on staying there for 30 years - then it may be a wise option to pay a discount point - or maybe even two!
Discount Points - When They Make THE MOST Sense
One often overlooked item when negotiating for a new home is the fact that in a buyers market, you can often times get the seller to pay at least one discount point to buy your rate down! If you can possibly get the seller to pay a discount point to buy your rate down, this is when paying a discount point makes the most sense of all — it is “free” to you and it will help lower your mortgage payment by hundreds of dollars each year!
Be extremely careful when paying discount points - you want to make sure that the money that you are paying is actually going towards buying the rate down. You also want to make sure that you do your homework as to whether or not it makes sense to pay discount points - and using our simple rule-of-thumb will help!
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Diane Tuman
This is one of the best-explained articles on paying points I have ever read. Thanks for presenting a confusing topic with such ease and clarity. One thing in your post that might be a “hangup” for those with little experience in buying a home is explaining the par rate. Also, what did you mean by this sentence: “Be extremely careful when paying discount points - you want to make sure that the money that you are paying is actually going towards buying the rate down.” Are there incidents of using the money for other purposes?
Justin McHood
@Diane,
Thank you for the kind words.
Regarding this sentence: “be extremely careful when paying discount points - you want to make sure that the money that you are paying is actually going towards buying the rate down…”
It is entirely possible that someone could actually pay a discount point and get the exact same rate as someone with the same credit/asset/income profile at the same lender on the same day.
How is it possible that one person pays a discount point and one person doesn’t yet gets the same rate?
In my experience, it means that the discount point went in the loan officer’s pocket. Yes, I have seen it happen.
I will be sure to follow up with more discussions about “par” rates and how they work.
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VG
I may have this wrong and would appreciate if you correct me.
When you pay points and get a lower rate, not only do you get a lower monthly payment but a larger percentage of your payment goes towards principal (or your equity). So in the example you gave, I am coming up with a break even point of 38 months rather than the 72 you came up with.
At 38 months your cumulative interest paid will be 29348.68 with 4.75% rate and 30926.24 with 5% rate. So you have paid 1577.56 less in interest by then with the lower rate. Also your equity at 5% rate after 38 months is 9872.20 and with 4.75% rate is 10296.52, another difference of 424.31. The 2 add up to the 2000 you paid for the point.
I am just a first time homebuyer and do not know a lot about mortgages and am not sure where my assumptions are wrong.